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RaviS posted December 18, 2001 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RaviS   Click Here to Email RaviS     Edit Message
INDO - SRI LANKA AGREEMENT
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To establish peace and normalcy in Sri Lanka.

The President of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri
Lanka His Excellency Mr. J.R. Jayawardene, and the Prime
Minister of the Republic of India, His Excellency Mr. Rajiv
Gandhi, having met at Colombo on 29 July 1987:

Attaching utmost importance to nurturing, intensifying
and strengthening the traditional friendship of Sri Lankà
and India, and acknowledging the imperative need of
resolving the ethnic problem Sri Lanka, and the consequent
violence, and for the safety, well - being and prosperity of
people belonging to all communities in Sri Lanka.

Have this day entered into the following agreement to
fulfil this objective in this context.

1.1. desiring to preserve the unity, sovereignty and
territorial integrity of Sri Lanka:

1.2. acknowledging that Sri Lanka is multi - ethnic
and multi - lingual plural society consisting, inter alia,
of Sinhalese, Tamils, Muslims (Moors) and Burghers:

1.3. recognising that the Northern and the Eastern
Provinces have been areas of historical habitation of Sri
Lankan Tamil speaking peoples, who have at all times
hitherto lived together in this territory with other ethnic
groups:

1.5. conscious of the necessity of strengthening the
forces contributing to the unity, sovereignty and
territorial integrity of Sri Lanka, and preserving its
character as a multi - ethnic, multi - lingual and
multireligious plural society, in which all citizens can
live in equality, safety and harmony, and prosper and
fulfil their aspirations:

2. Resolve that:

2.1. Since the Government of Sri Lanka proposes
to permit adjoining Provinces to join to form one
administrative unit and also by a referendum to
separate as may be permitted to the Northern and
Eastern Provinces as outlined below:

2.2 During the period, which shall be considered an
interim period (i.e. from the date of the elections to the
Provincial Council, as specified in para 2.8 to the date of
the Referendum as specified in para 2.3 the Northern and
Eastern Provinces as now constituted, will form one
administrative unit, having one elected Provincial
Council. Such a unit will have one Governor, on Chief
Minister and one Board of Ministers.

2.3. There will be a referendum on or before 31
December 1988 to enable the people of the Eastern
Provinces to decide whether:

(a) The Eastern Province should remain
linked with the Northern Province as one
administrative unit, and continue to be governed
together with the Northern Province as specified in
para 2.2, or

(b) The Eastern Province should constitute
a separate administrative unit having it's own
distinct Provincial Council with separate Governor,
Chief Minister and Board of Ministers.

The President may, at his discretion decide
to postpone such a referendum.

2.4. All persons who have been displaced due to
ethnic violence, or other reasons, will have the right to
vote in such a referendum. Necessary conditions to
enable them to return to areas form where they were
displaced will be created.

2.5. The referendum when held, will be monitored
by a commitee headed by the Chief Justice, a member
appointed by the President, nominated by the
Government of Sri Lanka, and a member appointed by
the President, nominated by the representatives of the
Tamil speaking people of the Eastern Province.

2.6. A simple majority will be sufficient to
determine the result of the referendum.

2.7. Meetings and other forms of propaganda,
permissible within the laws of the country, will be
allowed before the referendum.

2.8. Elections to Provincial Councils will be held
within the next three months, in any event before 31
December 1987. Indian observers will be invited for
elections to the Provincial Council of the North and
East.

2.9. The emergency will be lifted in the Eastern and
Northern Provinces by 15 August 1987. The process
of surrendering of arms and the confining of security
personnel moving back to barracks shall be completed
wlthin 72 hours or the cessation of hostilities coming
into effect.

2.10. The Government of Sri Lanka will utilise for
the purpose of law enforcement and maintenance of
security in the Northern and Eastern Provinces the
same organisations and mechanisms of government
as are used in the rest of the country.

2.11. The President of Sri Lanka will grant a
general amnesty to political and other prisoners now
held in custody under the Prevention of Terrorism Act
and other Emergency laws, and to combatants, as well
as to those persons accused, charged and / or
convicted under these laws. The Government of Sri
Lanka will make special efforts to rehabilitate militant
youth with a view to bringing them back into the
mainstream of natiónal life. India willl co - operate in
the process.

2.12 The Government of Sri Lanka will accept and
abide by the above provisions and expect all others to
do likewise.
2.13 If the framework for the resolutions is
accepted, the Government of Sri Lanka will implement
the relevent proposals forthwith.
2.14 The Government of India will undervurite and
guarantee the resolutions, and co - operate in the
implementation of these proposals.
2.15 These proposals are conditional to an
acceptance of the proposals negotiated from 4 May
1986 to 19 December 1986. Residual matters not
finalised during the above negotiations shall be
resolved between India and Sri Lanka within a period
of six weeks of signing this agreement. These
proposals are also conditional to the Government of
India co-operating directly with the Government of Sri
Lanka in their implementation.
2.16 These proposals are also conditional to the
Government of India taking the following actions if
any militant groups operating in Sri Lanka do not
accept this framework of proposals for a settlement,
namely,
(a) India will take all necessary steps to
ensure that Indian territory is not used for activities
prejudicial to the unity, integrity and security of Sri Lanka.

(b) The Indian Navy / Coast guard will co -
operate with the Sri Lanka Navy in preventing
Tamil militant activities from affecting Sri Lanka.

(c) In the event that the Government of Sri
Lanka requests the Government of India to afford
military assistance to implement these proposals
the Government of India will co-operate by giving to
the Governrnent of Sri Lanka such military
assistance as and when requested.

(d) The Government of India will expedite
repatriation from Sri Lanka of Indian citizens to
India who are resident there, concurrently with the
repatriation of Sri Lankan refugees from Tamil
Nadu.
(e) The Government of Sri Lanka and India
will co - operate in ensuring the physical security
and safety of all communities inhabiting the
Northern and Eastern Provinces.

2.17 The Government of Sri Lanka shall ensure
free, full and fair participation of voters from all
communities in the Northern and Eastern Provinces
in electoral processes envisaged in this Agreement.
The Government of India will extend full co-operation
to the Government of Sri Lanka in this regard.

2.18 The official language of Sri Lanka shall be
Sinhala. Tamil and English will also be official
languages.

3 This Agreement and the annexure thereto
shall come into force upon signature.

In witness whereof we have set our hands and seals here
unto. Done in Colombo, Sri Lanka, on this the twenty - ninth
day of July of the year one thousand nine hundred and eighty -
seven, in duplicate, both texts being equally authentic.

JUNIUS RICHARD RAJIV GANDHI
JAYEWARDENE Prime Minister of the
President of the Democratic Republic of India
Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka


Annexure to the Agreement
1. His Excellency the President of Sri Lanka and
the Prime Minister of India agree that the Referendum
mentioned in paragraph and its sub-paragraphs of the
Agreement will be observed by a representative of the
Election Commission of India to be invited by His
Excellency the President of Sri Lanka.


2. Similarly, both heads of Government agree
that the elections to the Provincial Council mentioned
in paragraph 2.8 of the Agreement will be observed by
a representative of the Government of India to be
invited by the President of Sri Lanka.


3. His Excellency the President of Sri Lanka
agrees that the Home Guards would be disbanded and all
para-militazy personnel will be withdrawn from the
Eastern and Northern provinces with a view to creating
conditions conducive to fair elections to the Council.


4. The President of Sri Lanka and the Prime
Minister of India agree that the Tamil militants shall
surrender their arms to authorities agreed upon to be
designated by the President of Sri Lanka. The
surrender shall take place in the presence of one
senior representative each of Sri Lanka Red Cross and
the Indian Red Cross.


5. The President of Sri Lanka and the Prime Minister
of India agree that a joint Indo - Sri Lanka observer group
consisting of qualified representatives of the Government of
Sri Lanka and the Government of India would monitor the
cessation of hosülities fi om 31 July 1987.

6. The President of Sri Lanka and the Prime
Minister of India also agree that in terms of paragraph
2.14 and paragraph 2.16 (c) of the Agreement, an
Indian peace keeping contingent may be invited by the
President of Sri Lanka to guarantee and enforce the
cessation of hostilities.
President of Sri Lanka


29 July 1987
Excellency,


Please refer to your letter dated 29 July 1987, which
reads as follows: Excellency,


1. Conscious of the friendship between our two
countries stretching over two millenia and more, and
recognising the importance of nurturing this
traditional friendship, it is imperative that both Sri
Lanka and India reaffirm the decision not to allow our
respective territories to be used for activities
prejudicial to each other's unity, territorial intergrity
and security.


2. In this spirit, you had, during the course of
our discussions, agreed to meet some of India's
concerns as follows:


(I) Your Excellency and myself will reach
an early understanding about the relevance and
employment of foreign military and intelligence
personnel with a view to ensuring that such
presences will not prejudice Indo-Sri Lankan
relations.


(II) Trincomalee or any other ports in Sri
Lanka will not be made available for military use by
any country in a manner prejudicial to India's
interests.


(III) The work of restoring and operating
the Trincomalee oil tank farm will be undertaken as
a joint venture between India and Sri Lanka.


(IV) Sri Lanka's agreement with foreign
broadcasting organisations will be revlewed to
ensure that any facilities set up by them in Sri
Lanka are used solely as public broadcasting
facilities and not for any military or intelligence
purposes.


(I) Deport all Sri Lankan citizens who are
found to be engaging in terrorist activlties or
advocating separatism or secessionism.


(II) Provide training facilities and military
supplies for Sri Lankan security forces.


4. India and Sri Lanka have agreed to set up a
joint consultation mechanism to continuously revlew
matters of common concern in the light of the
objectives stated in para. I, and specifically to monitor
the implementation of other matters contained in this
letter.


5. Kindly confirm, Excellency, that the above
correctly sets out the Agreement reached between us.
Please accept, Excellency, the assurances of my highest
consideration.


Yours sincerely,
(Signed) Rajiv Gandhi.


LALITH'S MURDEROUS CYNICISM


An important portion from: Bruce Palling. "An
`Independent' view from London:"


"Athulathmudali's most influential role was his period as
National Security Minister between 1984 and 1989. He was
the only cabinet minister who positively relished his
dealings with the press. He was willing to diseuss any topic
but was only available to make appointments between 5:30
and 6 in the morning when he would invariably pick up the
telephone himself. A man of immense charm, he was also
capable of ruthless behaviour. Easily the most intelligent
government minister, he could be shockingly frank.


"During the abortive 1987 peace agreement,
Athulathmudali insisted that the Indian army hand over
some Tamil Tigers they arrested in the Palk Straits en route
to India. Half of the captives subsequently committed
suicide, which then widened the conflict as the Tigers
directly attacked the Indian army in Northern Sri Lanka.
When I said to Athulathmudali that he must have known
this would occur, he readily agreed, saying that is was
exactly what he wanted to happen, in order to have India on
his side."


Bruce Palling, "An Independent view from London."
The Sunday Ttmes, 2.5.93, reproduced from Independent
(London)


It is clearly euident that the National Security Minister Mr.
Lalith Athulathmudali and the Jayewardene gouernment
planned and acted calculated to break the Indv - Lanka
Agreement of 1987. The Agreement and peace process were
entirely broken with this momentous incident. This time too,
the Sinhalese leaders broke their agreement.

Dixit blames the Sinhalese for the breaking of the
Indo - Lanka Accord:


"TAMIL HOPES NOT MET"


"the first pulling back from the commitments given was
from the Sinhalese side."


Mr. Joytindra Nath Dixit, India's pipe - smoking
controversial former High Commissioner in Colombo and
later foreign Secretary feels that the legitimate Tamil
aspirations will lead Sri Lanka to face a choice between
unity and division.


A man known not to mince his words, Mr. Dixit who
came to Sri Lanka during a volatile period in Indo - Lanka
relations and the ethnic crisis was soon dubbed as the
Viceroy of India by critics for his outspoken style.
Now in retirement Mr.Dixit looks back at those turbulent
times and the cloak - and - dagger politics behind the Indo -
Lanka Agreement.


Q. You said earlier that the Accord failed to reach its full
potential because both the governments and the militants
did not stick to their obligations. What in your view
actually went wrong and at what point?


A: (Laughs) I could speak for half a day. The entire
period between the end of September 1987 and middle of
October was full of gaps in communication and pulling back
from commitments from both sides. But even if I become a
little unpopular with your government, the first pulling
back from commitments given was from the Sinhalese side.

They delayed in giving the due status to the Tamil
language. They got involved in what you call delaying and
desultory discussions about devolution of financial power.

So, the LTTE and other Tamils felt it was again the same
situation as it was before the APC and 1983. That was one.

But the one incident which really resulted in the LTTE
backing out and India having to go into military operations
was the late Mr. Lalith Athulathmudali's insistence of
bringing those 17 LTTE youngsters back to Colombo
whereas whatever they did, they had been captured and
they could have been left in the custody of the Indian forces.
We could have negotiated something. In fact Mr. J. R.
Jayewardene had agreed that was the wisest political move
but then Mr. Athulathmudali had other plans and while Mr.
Jayewardena was still passing instructions.

Athulathmudali sent off the planes to prevent yòur
President's decision being conveyed to me. Those boys took
cyanide. It was very tragic and the LTTE leadership's reaction
was naturally that of hurt and anger. Some sort of a betrayal.

It is fascinating and I feel very sad about it that in their
propaganda, they have accused me of not having helped
them get these peple released. I was in Delhi when this
incident happened. I rushed back to Colombo and I
managed with difficulty to persuade your President to be
understanding about it but then you can't sit in value
judgement about things that have happened.


Q: Did this situation arise in your view due
to International politics in Sri Lanka?


A: Of course. yes. No doubt about it that
President Jayewardena had to make a bold and
imaginative stand about this Agreement.
There was a lot of opposition to him within the
cabinet. Mr. Gamini Jayasuriya, Mr. Lalith
Athulathmudali and Mr. Premadasa
disassociated themselves completely from the
Agreement.

The Sunday Leader, Sept. 4, l994.

THE HALF - BAKED SOLUTION OF THE INDO-SRI LANKA
ACCORD OF l987. WAS A TACTICAL AND A DIPLOMATIC
MOVE OF THE JAYAWARDENE GOVERNMENT TO TACKLE AND DEFEAT THE EELAMARMED STRUGGLE OF THE TAMILS FO TAMIL EELAM WITH THE HELP OF THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT
MR. JAYAWARDENE VERY TACTFULLY TRAPPED MR. RAJN
GANDHI INTO THE WElR AGAINST THE EELAM TAMILS, WHO
WERE THE TRADlTÌONAL FRIENDS OF INDIA.


HERE, ONCE AGAIN THE PROMISE WAS BROKEN BY
THE SINHALESE GOVERNMENT, BUT IT WAS DIFFERENT IN
CERTAIN ASPECTS. UP TO l987, THE SINHALESE
LEADERS BROKE THE PLEDGES, WHICH WERE GIVEN TO
THE TAMIL LEADERS, BUT THIS TIME THE PROMISE THAT
WlS GIVEN TO INDIA, TOO, WAS BROKEN BY THE
SINHALESE LEADERS.


FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE ACCORD, THE
JÁYEWARDENE GOVERNMENT WAS VERY KEEN AND
PLANNED TO BREAK IT. MR. JAYAWARDENE AND HIS
LIEUTENANTS WERE DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY
INVOLVED IN CREATING THE CONDITION STEP BY STEP TO
MANOEUVRE INDIA TO INTERVENE THE EELAM.


THE STATEMENTS OF THE FORMER NATIONAL
SECURITY MINISTER OF SRI LANKA, MR. LALITH
ATHULATHMUDALI, AND THE FORMER "VICEROY" OF
INDIA TO SRI LANKA, MR. J.N. DIXIT CLEARLYPROVE HOW
THE JAYEWARDENE GOVERNMENT BROKE THE ACCORD.


FROM THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION MANIFESTO OF
MR. GAMINI DISSANAYAKE:
( 1994)

"UNFORTUNATELY, LACK OF POLITICAL WILL AND AN
INADEl,UACY OF THE POWERS UNDER THE l3TH
AMENDMENT HAVE FRUSTRATED THE PEOPLE OF THE
NOR TH-EAST. "

HERE, THE U.N.P. AGREES THAT THE PEACE PACKAGE
OF 1987 WAS NOT COMPLETE ENOUGH TO SOLVE THE
PROBLEMS OF THE TAMILS.

'Cited in Jehan Perera "Gamini's last Testament was Federalism",
the Island, 13.11.1994.

lakgem posted December 19, 2001 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lakgem     Edit Message
So, what was it in this agreement that the LTTE didn't want to accept?

RaviS posted December 19, 2001 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RaviS   Click Here to Email RaviS     Edit Message
Good Question: The very suspicious HIDDEN AGENDA BEhind the accord by both Sri Lanka & India THAT THE LTTE DID NOT LIKE THIS ACCORD:

Tell me what the following from that accord GOT TO DO WITH TAMIL NATIONA QUESTION?

c) In the event that the Government of Sri
Lanka requests the Government of India to afford
military assistance to implement these proposals
the Government of India will co-operate by giving to
the Governrnent of Sri Lanka such military
assistance as and when requested.

(II) Trincomalee or any other ports in Sri
Lanka will not be made available for military use by
any country in a manner prejudicial to India's
interests.

(III) The work of restoring and operating
the Trincomalee oil tank farm will be undertaken as
a joint venture between India and Sri Lanka.

(IV) Sri Lanka's agreement with foreign
broadcasting organisations will be revlewed to
ensure that any facilities set up by them in Sri
Lanka are used solely as public broadcasting
facilities and not for any military or intelligence
purposes.

(II) Provide training facilities and military
supplies for Sri Lankan security forces.

RS

RaviS posted December 19, 2001 10:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RaviS   Click Here to Email RaviS     Edit Message
Another point for your Good Question?

If the agreement is for to Solve Tamil Ethnic Problem, Why I only see Rajiv's and J.R.'s signatures on the accord, WHY DON'T I SEE A TAMIL LEADERS'S (i.e: TULF or LTTE) singanture on it?

It sounds to me an accord to protect a territorial intergrity of two nations(Sri Lanka & India) from a possible US superpower presense in the Region(i.e: Tringomalee Harbour)

RS

RaviS posted December 19, 2001 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RaviS   Click Here to Email RaviS     Edit Message
LTTE is NOT EPRLF and Prabaharan is NOT Varatharajaperumal.

RS

Hammer posted December 19, 2001 11:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hammer   Click Here to Email Hammer     Edit Message
Conclusion:
World does not care of the Sri Lankan so called ethnic problem. You have created concepts like ‘Tamil Nation’, ‘Tamil Ethnic Problem’ to market LTTE violence and world is aware of that. They want to protect their interest first. The big hoopla your Prabhakaran and LTTE created results nothing but violence and more violence.

Creating a war to have control the way you want is a very old concept and resulted nothing. Why not pay your efforts on making things calm, preaching people to be anti violent, and sending angles of peace into Colombo rather than sending self exploding humans.

Don’t trap us in your concepts and your marketing scheme for Eelam. Both the Problem and the Solution is LTTE.

The underwear is not as dirty as LTTE points out.


It is OK for LTTE to come out and say we suck, we screwed up big time, let’s forget the past and move forward as one Nation.

RaviS posted December 19, 2001 11:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RaviS   Click Here to Email RaviS     Edit Message
"It is OK for LTTE to come out and say we suck, we screwed up big time, let’s forget the past and move forward as one Nation."

FIRST ACCEPT WE HAVE AN ETHNIC PROBLEM AND COME TO US WITH POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS.....OR JUST GO AND FUCK YOUR TAMIL WIFE LOOSER, AND DON'T WASTE OUR TIMES HERE.

RS

sam posted December 19, 2001 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sam   Click Here to Email sam     Edit Message
lakgem,

"So, what was it in this agreement that the LTTE didn't want to accept?"

The answer is very simple. Indo-lanka accord was a devolution under a Unitary system.
1. Any decision made by the region can be over ruled by the centre.
2. No taxing power to the region.
3. All state land belongs to the centre.
4. Region didn't have the power receive foreign aid or loan.
The list goes on and on.

What is acceptable to the Tamil people is a devolution under a Federal SL.

sam posted December 19, 2001 01:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sam   Click Here to Email sam     Edit Message
Under a federal SL, the devolution should include
1. Taxing power to the region.
2. All state land and resources ownership to the NE region.
3. Power to receive foreign aid or loan directly. Power to negotiate directly with foreign govts/entities regarding contracts, aid or loan.
4. No power to the centre to over rule decisions made by the NE region regarding its internal matters.

In addition:

** All upcountry stateless/Indian Tamils who are living in SL for generations should be given SL citizenship.

** 18% of each, Ceylon Army, Navy and Airforce should be Tamils, formed into separate regiments and stationed in the NE.

**All Sinhala colonisations made into NE, after 1948, should be withdrawn.

**The SL flag should be changed to reflect the multi ethnicity of SL.

**SL name should be changed to Ceylon.


[This message has been edited by sam (edited December 19, 2001).]

Hammer posted December 19, 2001 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hammer   Click Here to Email Hammer     Edit Message
"Under a federal SL, the devolution should include
1. Taxing power to the region.
2. All state land ownership to the region.
3. Power to receive foreign aid or loan.
4. No power to the centre to over rule decisions made by the region regarding its internal matters. "

If you have the same in Singapore and Malaysia, we can consider implementing these.

By the way, I can prove that there is no ethnic problem in Sri Lanka.

It is a Terrorist Problem. We are at war due to Animal Prabhakaran's sick killing mind. Get rid of him if you want Peace.

Hammer posted December 19, 2001 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hammer   Click Here to Email Hammer     Edit Message
Siripala owns a Hardware shop, and his Tamil neighbor Supramanium owns a Pharmacy next door in Colombo. Terrorists living in the Jungle, never been in Colombo says that there is an Ethnic Problem in Sri Lanka.

Do you know that Tamils and Sinhalese in Colombo, dance disco together, falling in Love, get married, have kids and live happily ever after.

How can they do that if there is an ethnic problem in Sri Lanka?

LTTE is the Problem and the Solution.
Give me a break!

Hammer

sam posted December 19, 2001 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sam   Click Here to Email sam     Edit Message
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Visva posted December 19, 2001 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Visva   Click Here to Email Visva     Edit Message
Sam

Hammer MOTHER FFFFFFFUCKER is Lakgem

lakgem posted December 19, 2001 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lakgem     Edit Message
So, according to RaviS’s response it appears LTTE was against a "hidden agenda" rather than any specific points in the accord; interesting. When you consider the circumstances that surrounded the "ethnic problem" escalating to a civil war it should not come as a surprise that the clauses RaviS has picked out in his follow-up response, were contained in the accord. When J. R. Jayawardana’s government transformed the Sri Lankan economy into an open market economy and changed the constitution to reflect the US system, India perceived it to be a threat to their regional dominance and helped fuel the civil war by arming and training the separatist groups in Indian soil. Hey, you all know the rest of the story. With that in mind, look at those clauses again and tell me if you are really surprised by them being in the accord.

To be honest I don’t like the influence India was excerpting on Sri Lanka with this accord, but I highly doubt there was an alternative or that Sri Lanka was in a position to demand that these clauses be taken out. India didn’t want to help Sri Lanka and they didn’t want us getting close to the west (US) for help either. So, they were willing to undermine the country’s political and economic system in anyway they could and in my humble opinion Tamils played right into their hand. How unfortunate for all of us!

Beside, look at the alternative to agreeing to this accord. Thousands more are killed, economy in shambles and we are not any closer to a settlement. I fail to see how the LTTE supporters can justify this..

And RaviS, this was the "Indo Lanka Accord" and hence the two leaders of the country signed it and not representative of groups in either country. So, let me ask you; how did the other Tamil groups find it possible to support this accord, when they didn’t sign it?

And the conditions "Sam" lists seems more like a cocktail for greater disaster in the future than a solution to any problem. It’s clear the Tamils want to carve out a nation for their own, may it be from Sri Lanka or any other country. So you want the Sri Lankan government to arm and train a Tamil battalion and station them in the NE? You are joking right? Taxing power, land and resource ownership, direct negotiations with foreign governments and no power to central government to over-rule? How is this different from a separate state?

And Visva, I’m not Hammer! At least, I have not posted anything to this forum under the handle Hammer and to my knowledge no one has impersonated my by using my handle "Lakgem". And, my personality does not oscillation, like many of your here, where at one moment you express yourselves like civilized gentlemen in another the posts are full of filth. If it comes to that I would rather be silent.

[This message has been edited by lakgem (edited December 19, 2001).]

sam posted December 20, 2001 12:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sam   Click Here to Email sam     Edit Message
"And the conditions "Sam" lists seems more like a cocktail for greater disaster in the future than a solution to any problem. It’s clear the Tamils want to carve out a nation for their own, may it be from Sri Lanka or any other country. So you want the Sri Lankan government to arm and train a Tamil battalion and station them in the NE? You are joking right? Taxing power, land and resource ownership, direct negotiations with foreign governments and no power to central government to over-rule? How is this different from a separate state?"

If you want an example look no further. Just look at Indian Union. Madras regiment is madeup mostly of Tamils and stationed in Tamil Nadu. Hydrabad regiment is mostly made of Telugus and stationed in Andhra Pradesh and so on. The Indian states have all the powers I stated in my previous post. Also there is Quebec in Canada with similar powers.

Hammer posted December 20, 2001 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hammer   Click Here to Email Hammer     Edit Message
Visva Uncle, you are getting too old, now you can see ASCII too. Hammer is no lakgem.

This is what I had to deal with during last few months. Uncle Visva has been successful in sending anti LTTEs out of this forum from his filth. I am the one of few who has no effect on them.

Any new poster has to realize that we are not dealing with the Tamil intellect here. I am sure the plenty of them are around and not on this forum now.

"And, my personality does not oscillation, like many of your here, where at one moment you express yourselves like civilized gentlemen in another the posts are full of filth. If it comes to that I would rather be silent."


Visva Uncle, don't you think it is time to preach your Gambling Spirituality ?

lakgem posted December 21, 2001 02:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lakgem     Edit Message
Ah Sam, there’s one big difference; Tamil Nadu has not demanded for a separate country from India but the LTTE has. It should be adequately clear that LTTE will not be content being any part of Sri Lanka for long and would look for any opportunity to attain their final goal of a seperate country. And you want the Sri Lankan government to arm, train and station a group of soldiers with the greatest possibility that they can break away at any time and "bite the hand that feeds them" (ah.. hasn’t that happened already in the LTTE?).

Hopefully you do fathom the repercussions of what you are asking for and not just copying a list of conditions that the "theoretician" put out on a press release. I guess there is no harm is asking, but I hope you are prepared for the possibility of a resounding ‘no’ from the government of many of the conditions you list.

Question: If what Tamils seek is already in existence in Tamil Nadu, why this destruction, bloodshed and loss of life? What is it that you are trying to achieve in Sri Lanka that you don’t have in Tamil Nadu?

Hammer posted December 21, 2001 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hammer   Click Here to Email Hammer     Edit Message
"Question: If what Tamils seek is already in existence in Tamil Nadu, why this destruction, bloodshed and loss of life? What is it that you are trying to achieve in Sri Lanka that you don’t have in Tamil Nadu?
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Newly appointed LTTE Animal spokesperson says:

Mr/Mrs. Lakgem, is this a trick question?
The answer is so clear.
The country for 100% Tamils.

There is no place on this planet for Tamils that they call Homeland of their own without stealing from others.

It time we send LTTE Tamils to the Moon, to create a country of their own for the first time since the Big Bang (or in Visva's words since the Creation).

SL Tamils have been used to the quality of life and got so corrupted, they have much more Toilets per capita than Tamils in TN. The next step of the good life is the country of their own. If Tamils in TN get more Toilets per capita, just like SL Tamils, they will want to Break away TN from India.

When LTTE Tamil refugee gets houses of their own (rather than living in refugee flats), they will want to break away Toronto from Canada.

Sorry, I can’t help. I tend to make lifelong enemies.


[This message has been edited by Hammer (edited December 21, 2001).]

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