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RaviS posted October 05, 2001 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RaviS   Click Here to Email RaviS     Edit Message

McLellan issues warning

By CP

OTTAWA -- Justice Minister Anne McLellan yesterday warned against tarnishing
reputations unfairly in the fight against terrorism.

McLellan, who has promised legislation to make it a criminal offence to raise
money for terrorist purposes, nevertheless cautioned that Ottawa must be careful
not to target the innocent.

Striking the right balance between law and order and civil liberties will be a
challenge, she said after a Liberal caucus meeting.

"We have already seen expressed in our country, on the part of legitimate charitable
organizations, the fear that they might be swept up in an overly broad definition (of
terrorist organizations).

"We have to make sure ... that we do not in any inappropriate and unfair way, sweep
up innocent organizations. We've all seen examples of this in the past."

Alliance MP Keith Martin rose in the Commons to ask whether the Federation of
Associations of Canadian Tamils would be added to any list of organizations
barred from fund-raising.

The group has been named by the U.S. State Department - as well as a Canadian
Senate committee - as a front group for the Tamil Tigers, who are waging an armed
struggle in Sri Lanka for a national homeland.

McLellan's reply in the House was noncommittal, noting that cabinet has the power
to freeze and seize funds of any group that can be shown to have terrorist links.

Outside the Commons, Alliance Leader Stockwell Day suggested Finance Minister
Paul Martin shouldn't participate in any cabinet decision on FACT because of past
controversy over his attendance at a dinner organized by the group in Toronto in
May 2000.

RaviS posted October 05, 2001 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RaviS   Click Here to Email RaviS     Edit Message
Ladies & Gentlemen,

The world is in OUR side for our FIGHT against OPPRESSION and the Fight for JUSTICE AND EQUALITY. Keep on FIGHTING, until justice is done to our people.

RS

PLEASE...CLICK AND ENJOY!!

http://www.eelamweb.com/index1.shtml

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sam posted October 05, 2001 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sam   Click Here to Email sam     Edit Message
Alliance, National Post and the SLG will never succeed in tarnishing the LTTE and the Tamils.

RaviS posted October 05, 2001 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RaviS   Click Here to Email RaviS     Edit Message
1. What is Tamil Eelam ?

Tamil Eelam is a de facto state in Indian Ocean. It is located below the Tamil Nadu state of India and in the North East of Sri Lanka. The state of Tamil Eelam has been
established by the people living there under the right of self determination given by International Covenant of Civil and Political Rights , Article 1, to which Sri Lanka is asignatory.

Reference: Sunmantra Bose,Lanka Guardian,15 October 1994: "The Tigers have proved to be an extraordinarily formidable and resilient organisation over the past decade. Today they control some 65% of the north and east... where they have
established a de facto state with its own police force, judiciary, taxation structure,
education department, transportation system and information and broadcasting networks. They have also consolidated significant popular legitimacy by aggressively opposing various social ills and inequities, such as caste oppression and the subordination of women... effective Tamil opposition to the LTTE remains almost non existent... also, because a sorry record of criminality, 'collaboration' and opportunism has debased the anti LTTE groups in the eyes of the Tamil population. As an Indian Peace Keeping General found in Jaffna 'Eelam has taken firm root as an idea and the LTTE was firmly established in the consciousness of the Tamils.. (as their) sole saviour, fighter, hero and representative."

2. Why did Tamils in Sri Lanka want Tamil Eelam ?

Sri Lanka, which was renamed in Sinhala in 1972, had been called as Ceylon by British
during colonial times. Before 1833, the Tamil people were under different administration. They had their own kingdoms, culture and language which are very different from those of Sinhalese until 1505. The first colonial invasion took place in 1505. British brought Tamils and Sinhalese under one administration in 1833 and called this new colony as Ceylon.

When the British left in 1948, the 20% Tamils were left with 80% Sinhalese within a unitary country where the decisions were taken by democratic parliament system.

Under this system, racially polarised Sinhalese and Tamils were ruled by the constant majority of Sinhalese against the democratic wishes of Tamils as Tamils were the constant minority.

Reference: Document submitted by 17 NGOs in 50th Sessions of UN Commission
on Human Rights:
"There is a need to recognise that the deep divisions between the
Sri Lanka government and the Tamil people cannot be resolved by the use of force
against Tamil resistance. The Tamil opulation in the North and East of the island, who
have lived from ancient times within relatively well defined geographical boundaries in the north and east of the island, share an ancient heritage, a vibrant culture, and a living language which traces its origins to more than 2500 years ago. ...Before the advent of the British ..., separate kingdoms existed for the Tamil areas and for the Sinhala areas in the island. The Tamil people and the Sinhala people were brought within the confines of one state for the first time by the British in 1833. After the departure of the British in 1948, an alien Sinhala people speaking a language different to that of the Tamils and claiming a separate and distinct heritage has persistently denied the rights and fundamental freedoms of the Tamil people. ..
! It is ...our view that the Secretary General should consider invoking his good offices with the aim of contributing to the establishment of peace in the island of Sri Lanka through respect for the existence of the Tamil homeland in the North East of the island of Sri Lanka and recognition for the right of the Tamil people to freely determine their political status."

3. Who is the leader of Tamil Eelam ?

Mr. Vellupillai Pirabakaran, the leader of Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) is the present National Leader of Tamil Eelam.

4. Is Tamil Eelam a communist idea ?

No. Tamil Eelam is the home land of highly religious Hindu, Christian and Islamic Tamil
speaking people. Tamils of Tamil Eelam are from the ancient times, known for their
trade and commerce. Tamil Eelam will be a democratic country once it become independent.

Reference: An interview by Mr.V.Pirabakaran,Leader of LTTE to Mr.Kendall
Hopman,The Sunday Times,8th April 1990.

"What model of government would you like to see in this country?"

"I would like to see a society that is economically self-sufficient and self-reliant. I also want a democratic system in which the people have the right to rule themselves. And there should be economic equality among the working people."

5. What is the present state of Tamil Eelam ?

Presently, the some Northern and Eastern part of Tamil Eelam is under the Tamil Eelam
administration. Although a war is going on, Tamil Eelam administration functions very
effectively to achieve self reliance and self sufficiency. There are forty eight essential
items were banned by Sri Lankan authorities to the de facto state of Tamil Eelam.

Some of them are now allowed by the new government with the expectation that the
people of Tamil Eelam would give up their right to chose their political status freely.

Reference: A leaflet distributed in the Tamil Eelam area from Sri Lankan military
helicopters days before 14 October 1994

"Dear Brothers and Sisters in the North, Sunshine has begun to move into your lives to
light up the gloom of misery that you have suffered all these years. As a start, a few
rays of sunshine have already moved into the north in the form of twenty-eight
commodities which have been liberated from the list of banned items to the north.

Referring to the lifting of the ban, Prime Minister told a Press Conference, 'we are doing this to rebuild the trust and conteps the government intends to take with the
objective of bringing about a solution to the north-east problem'. "

6. Is there religious freedom in Tamil Eelam ?

Not only religious freedom, but the people are encouraged to follow their own religion
by Tamil Eelam administration even under the severe war conditions and economic ban.
The Christian, mainly Catholic and Hindu religious leaders are always provided all the
support needed for their religious freedom. Islam, however, is not being practised
presently, as the Muslims have been asked to leave the Tamil Eelam territory until the
independence of Tamil Eelam. The Muslims supported the aggressive Sri Lankan Sinhala
and Muslim Military against the freedom of Tamil Eelam.

7. Can any one travel to Tamil Eelam ?

Yes. Like in any other countries, for Tamil Eelam also the immigration and emigration
laws are applicable at the borders. Since a war is going on for the independence,
several additional restrictions are imposed on travellers for national security reasons
and for the security of the life of travellers.

8. Who is LTTE ?

Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) is the armed rebellion organisation fighting for
the independence of Tamil Eelam. It is a unique organisation in the world in the
following aspects.

1. Every cadre wear a cyanide capsule around the neck and commit suicide to avoid divulging vital information.

2. LTTE is the only rebel organisation which has naval and air wings known as Sea Tigers and Air Tigers respectively.

3. All the cadre wear uniform.

9. Where can I find more information ?

In Internet;
1. http://www.tamilnet.com
2. http://www.eelam.com
3. http://www.eelamweb.com

RS

RaviS posted October 05, 2001 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RaviS   Click Here to Email RaviS     Edit Message
My Dearest People of Tamil Eelam and the Tamils around the world,

You future KING appealing for your your participation in our fight against Sri Lankan State Oppression and fight for Justice and Equality. Hereby, I request you all to stop fighting with the ordinary Sinhala People of Sri Lanka. Rather, please direct your focus on our goal and only goal to bring a justice and freedom to our nation. Please capitalize on this present trend towards our struggle.

Ladies & Gentlement, to the worldview, we are no longer Terrorists, but to the Sri Lankan State view, we may still be Terrorists. But, lets thy not be distracted by this. "When our enemy call us Terrorists, We are the True Patriotes to our Nation"(A quote from Dr. Nelson Mandele of South Africa.)

BE FOCUS, BE BRAVE, BE VICTORIOUS!!

Your King in Excile,
RaviS

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RaviS posted October 05, 2001 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RaviS   Click Here to Email RaviS     Edit Message
CLICK AND ENJOY

http://www.eelamweb.com/index1.shtml

thadhasinhalaya posted October 06, 2001 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thadhasinhalaya   Click Here to Email thadhasinhalaya     Edit Message
Just thought I would pull this imaginary dreamtime story apart and insert a bit of reality ....

"1. What is Tamil Eelam ?" - a figment of expat LTTE supporters imagination, apparently they see a country that doesnt exist .... ... the closest eelam has come to reality is the little red coloured maps on the LTTE wishlist propaganda websites

2. Why did Tamils in Sri Lanka want Tamil Eelam ? - not all Tamils .. some low class power hungry bunker boy thought it would be good idea to start a war to break down the Tamil caste barriers (he was low caste from VVT - descendants of smugglers and thieves ... well that has served the LTTE well hasnt it as u can see with all the criminal LTTE gang activity in Toronto etc)and try and carve out a little dictatorship-business for himself and his mates .....

3. Who is the leader of Tamil Eelam ? - leader of a country that doesnt exist? right .. more dreamtime here

4.a Is Tamil Eelam a communist idea ? - no a business plan

4.b. "What model of government would you like to see in this country?" - yes I want my little personal playground where i can levy taxes at will, where i will elect myself as leader every year and put all my other terrorist mates as supporting leaders, where I can kill anyone who tries to talk against me. where I can kill anyone who tries to get degrees etc and be smarter than me and where the standard punishment for all crimes will be death by hanging from a lamppost.

5. What is the present state of Tamil Eelam ? - just a wet dream in some terrorist fanatics' minds

6. Is there religious freedom in Tamil Eelam ? - yes that is why we have killed all the Buddhist and Muslim people in the area ... so we can be "free" to practice any religion

7. Can any one travel to Tamil Eelam ? - of course .. that is why we killed or chased away all the Sinhalese and Muslim villagers living in the North and east .. we want them to come back so we can show the whole world that anyone can travel there .. for tourism u know ....

(Ed. note: - how do u travel to a place that doesnt exist?_


8. Who is LTTE ? - we are a bunch of terrorists just like Osama bin Laden and Al-Quaeed, the IRA, Abu Sayef, Hamas, Islamic Jihad etc etc etc .. we just like to kill innocent civilians and our own people and children for another 25 yrs so the expats can keep all the drug money, fundraising and people smuggling $$$$$ rolling in .... business baby ...

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thadhasinhalaya posted October 08, 2001 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thadhasinhalaya   Click Here to Email thadhasinhalaya     Edit Message
yes thanx gentlemen .. very credible replies ... ran into a wall when faced with some simple truths eh? albeit they were presented in a humourous light ...

sam posted October 08, 2001 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sam   Click Here to Email sam     Edit Message
Thadhasinhalaya,
What you have written above is a typical Sinhalaya propaganda to cover up their genocide of Tamils and to tarnish the LTTE who is fighting to stop that genocide.

Two posted October 08, 2001 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Two     Edit Message
Enough Twisting Stories after storeis...
Who the F is Anne???
Who gives a RATass about what she says..

thadhasinhalaya posted October 08, 2001 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thadhasinhalaya   Click Here to Email thadhasinhalaya     Edit Message
oh right i am writing propaganda??? reality check ...

- eelam: an imaginary country in the name of which terrorists are exhorting millions of $$$ from tamil diaspora and butchering poor Tamil children in SL. I pointed out it doesnt exist (TRUTH).

- leader of eelam : leader of a country that doesnt exist (MORE TRUTH).

- what is present state of eelam? same as it was 25 years ago .... non existent, jst a wet dream ..... only difference is with a few thousand more Tamil children dead (ask UN .. this is not propaganda), rest living below poverty line .. and a few more expats who jumped ship on the "refugee" boat living it up on salad, shrimps and cigars in western countries all the while trash talking about "eelam" the myth that never will be

- ethnic cleansing in SL of Sinhalese and Muslims by LTTE http://www.spur.asn.au/ethnic_cleansing_in_sri_lanka.htm ; http://www.spur.asn.au/ltteatrp.htm

propaganda??? i guess if you believe the hog wash and drivel in the eelam web sites and the LTTE brainwashings you woulod have trouble seperating reality and truth from terrorist fiction!!

indran posted October 08, 2001 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for indran   Click Here to Email indran     Edit Message
to all sinhala modayas:

ethnic cleansing of tamils began in the 1950,s when the first hurd of tamil refugees
hit the indian shores.

then the 1960's , 1970's , then the 1980's

during this period LTTE was not established
as a strong army, they were just baby tigers
with around 1000 cadres...

So how in the hell is it possible to ethnic cleanse sinhalese?.....

all the sinhalese in jaffna , few thousand of them fled jaffna i believe,cos they were told by the SLA government to get hell out,
its like foreign Arab students fleeing back to their homes as per USA.

Only sinhalese population was the army.

Self defense from being killed and abuse is
not ethnic cleansing, its fighting for freedom..

Well, unfortunately, a whale shit has a higher IQ than any sinhalese any given day..

so there is no point in explaining to these less than whale shit sinhala modayas.

-good bye-

sam posted October 08, 2001 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sam   Click Here to Email sam     Edit Message
Thadhasinhalaya,
I am not prepared to discuss these outrageous, racist, ridiculous typical sinhala lies by you.

But I want to let you know the facts.
The SLA have been killing hundreds of Tamil civilians every month to finishup all the Tamils once and for all.

The Mahasangha have been behind all the anti-Tamil riots in the past.

We were on path to annihilation even before the LTTE started a war to stop this genocide. We were subject to systematic genocide from the day Ceylon became independent from Britain. So atleast if we fight we'll have a chance of winning thus surviving. The LTTE has come a long way and now has become almost equally powerful to the SL forces.

Tamil lands have been colonised by illegal Sinhala colonist after ethnically cleansing Tamils from their lands.

LTTE is the only hope for the Tamils to bring justice for the Tamils. That is why the LTTE is a mortal enemy for the Sinhalese. Because they are the only obstacle to the Sinhala ambition of having a 100% Sinhala-Buddhist country. That is why the Sinhalese are all out to destroy the LTTE, because then destroying the Tamils will not be problem. Sinhalaya is trying every possible trick to isolate the LTTE, including from the Tamils but in vain. We the Tamils will fight to the last man to break the shackles of Sinhala oppression and genocide.

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thadhasinhalaya posted October 09, 2001 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thadhasinhalaya   Click Here to Email thadhasinhalaya     Edit Message
sam wont discuss .... so what is the point of your existence on this forum? are you just here to post LTTE propaganda?

sam posted October 09, 2001 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sam   Click Here to Email sam     Edit Message
Thadhasinhalaya,

"- eelam: an imaginary country in the name of which terrorists are exhorting millions of $$$ from tamil diaspora and butchering poor Tamil children in SL. I pointed out it doesnt exist (TRUTH)."

Extorting money: Where is the evidence?? SLG propaganda to tarnish the LTTE.
Child Soldiers: UN report based on SLG propaganda.
Eelam: A de-facto nation.

"- leader of eelam : leader of a country that doesnt exist (MORE TRUTH)".

Leader of a de-facto nation.

"- what is present state of eelam? same as it was 25 years ago .... non existent, jst a wet dream ..... only difference is with a few thousand more Tamil children dead (ask UN .. this is not propaganda), rest living below poverty line .. and a few more expats who jumped ship on the "refugee" boat living it up on salad, shrimps and cigars in western countries all the while trash talking about "eelam" the myth that never will be"

We were on a path to annihilation even before the LTTE started a war to stop this genocide. We were subject to systematic genocide from day one Ceylon became independent from Britain. So atleast if we fight we'll have a chance of winning thus surviving. The LTTE has come a long way and now have become almost equally powerful to the SL forces. Only time will tell whether eelam is going to be a wet dream or not? Nothing is certain in this world. The LTTE(Tamils) started the war of independence(to have a separate country) as the last resort to save the Tamils from complete annihilation. The Tamils can live in a united SL only if we have a federal state with security gurantees. If not, whether we win or lose, we do not have any other choice but go forward with our stuggle to have a separate country..

"- ethnic cleansing in SL of Sinhalese and Muslims by LTTE http://www.spur.asn.au/ethnic_cleansing_in_sri_lanka.htm ; http://www.spur.asn.au/ltteatrp.htm"

This is a total SLG propaganda to coverup its own Tamil ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Only the Sinhala colonist who had previously taken over the Tamil lands after ethnically cleansing Tamils were chased away by the LTTE.

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thadhasinhalaya posted October 10, 2001 04:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thadhasinhalaya   Click Here to Email thadhasinhalaya     Edit Message
"colonists?" all citizens of SL are free to live and move anywhere in the country they wish. who dedicated certain lands as "tamil lands"??? So are all the tamils and Muslims living in the SOuth then by converse "logic" (twisted it may be but just applying the reverse of yours) "colonists" as well??? Are they living on Sinhalese lands??? There is no such thing as SInhalese lands .... there is one country called Sri Lanka where all its citizens should be free to move around and live depending on their choice. Dont make excuses for rascit terrorist murderers.

Larrikin posted October 10, 2001 06:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Larrikin     Edit Message
Thadha,

Your logic & intelligent dissection of LTTE propaganda is nothing short of bloody brilliant. These LTTE terrorist supporting morons are not in your class of logically & factually presenting your point of view so eloquently. Don't expect dickheads like Sam & Indran & the other senile twits to match your debating skills.
Keep up your sensational comments that are regularly appreciated & much admired by a number of decent Tamil & Sinhala people I know. Good stuff Thadha.

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Larrikin

Hammer posted October 10, 2001 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hammer   Click Here to Email Hammer     Edit Message
“We were on a path to annihilation even before the LTTE started a war to stop this genocide.”

Reported Deaths due to War in Sri Lanka: 100,000 since the war Started.

No Tamils were killed in Sri Lanka BEFORE the war started.

The claim that we were on the path to annihilation can’t be due to the war is to commercialize and justify LTTE’s activities . Therefore the annihilation Sam the terrorist talks about could be due to heart disease.

Why don’t you fight against Heart Disease and not to annihilate Sinhalese to get a private country for your own?

sam posted October 10, 2001 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sam   Click Here to Email sam     Edit Message
"""colonists?" all citizens of SL are free to live and move anywhere in the country they wish. who dedicated certain lands as "tamil lands"??? So are all the tamils and Muslims living in the SOuth then by converse "logic" (twisted it may be but just applying the reverse of yours) "colonists" as well??? Are they living on Sinhalese lands??? There is no such thing as SInhalese lands .... there is one country called Sri Lanka where all its citizens should be free to move around and live depending on their choice. Dont make excuses for rascit terrorist murderers."

If State sponsored colonisation of Sinhalese into lands where Tamils were living exclusively and making the Tamils minority in their own land and then ethnically cleansing them is what your policy is, then we do not have any other choice but to fight back and stop this. That is what the LTTE is doing. You are deliberately mixing up the state sponsored colonisation to the freedom of movement of people. Tamil people in the south came to south by themselves bought property with their own money settled down there. This is similar to the Sinhalese people in Jaffna before July 83.

There were many irrigation schemes in areas other than the North-East. For example in the Anurathapura district. Did a single Tamil get land under these schemes. NONE. Why, because the govt/Sinhalese could not even imagine settling any Tamils in exclusive Sinhala areas.

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