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Topic: Mahatma Gandhi -I remember that you born tommorow
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Drwho1
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posted October 01, 2001 01:58 PM
Nothing else, Mahatma Gandhi and Adolf Hilter born in Number 2(Numerical astrology), but one was exterimist in violence, and one was exterimist in non violence. |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:09 PM
One was non-violence with the CIVILIZED people (The Britist), AND the other was exterimist in violence with THE MOST RUTHLESS, IGNORANT people(The Sinhala).RS [This message has been edited by RaviS (edited October 01, 2001).] |
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Drwho1
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posted October 01, 2001 02:11 PM
The Mind of Mahatma GandhiNeither Saint nor Sinner I think that the word 'saint' should be ruled out of present life. It is too sacred a word to be lightly applied to anybody, much less to one like myself, who claims only to be a humble searcher after Truth, knows his limitations, makes mistakes, never hesitates to admit them when he makes them and frankly confesses that he, like a scientist, is making experiments about some 'of the eternal verities' of life, but cannot even claim to be a scientist because he can show no tangible proof of scientific accuracy in his methods or such tangible results of his experiments as modem science demands. To clothe me with sainthood is too early even if it is possible. I myself do not feel a saint in any shape or form. But I do feel I am a votary of Truth in spite of all my errors of unconscious omission and commission. I am not a 'statesman in the garb of a saint'. But since Truth is the highest wisdom, sometimes my acts appear to be consistent with the highest statesmanship. But, I hope I have no policy in me save the policy of Truth and ahimsa. I will not sacrifice Truth and ahimsa even for the deliverance of my country or religion. That is as much as to say that neither can be so delivered. I see neither contradiction nor insanity in my life. It is true that as a man cannot see his back, so can he not see his errors or insanity. But the sages have often likened a man of religion to a lunatic. I, therefore, hug the belief that I may not be insane and may be truly religious. Which of the two I am in truth can only be decided after my death. I have never described myself as a sannyasi. Sannyas is made of sterner stuff. I regard myself as a householder, leading a humble life of service and in common with my fellow workers, living upon the charity of friends.... The life I am living is entirely very easy and very comfortable, if ease and comfort are a mental state. I have all I need without the slightest care of having to keep any personal treasures. It is wrong to call me an ascetic. The ideals that regulate my life are presented for acceptance by mankind in general. I have arrived at them by gradual evolution. Every step was thought out, well considered, and taken with greatest deliberation. Both my continence and non-violence were derived from personal experience and became necessary in response to the calls of public duty. The isolated life I had to lead in South Africa whether as a householder, legal practitioner, social reformer or politician, required, for the due fulfillment of these duties, the strictest regulation of sexual life and a rigid practice of non-violence and truth in human relations, whether with my own countrymen or with Europeans. I claim to be no more than an average man with less than average ability. Nor can I claim any special merit for such non-violence or continence as I have been able to reach with laborious research. I have not the shadow of a doubt that any man or woman can achieve what I have, if he or she would make the same effort and cultivate the same hope and faith. Work without faith is like an attempt to reach the bottom of a bottomless pit. I can easily put up with the denial of the world, but any denial by me of my God is unthinkable. I claim to be a simple individual liable to err like any other fellow mortal. I own, however, that I have humility enough in me to confess my errors and to retrace my steps. I own that I have an immovable faith in God and His goodness and unconsumable passion for truth and love. But, is that not what every person has latent in him? Whenever I see an erring man, I say to myself I have also erred; when I see a lustful man I say to myself, so was I once; and in this way I feel kinship with every one in the world and feel that I cannot be happy without the humblest of us being happy. I shall have to answer my God and my Maker if I give any one less than this his due, but I am sure that He will bless me if He knows that I gave one more than his due. The Heart's earnest and pure desire is always fulfilled. In my own experience, I have often seen this rule being verified. Service of the poor has been my heart's desire, and it has always thrown me amongst the poor, and enabled me to identify myself with them. Mine is a life full of joy in the midst of incessant work. In not wanting to think of what tomorrow will bring for me I feel as free as a bird... The thought that I am ceaselessly and honestly struggling against the requirements of the flesh sustains me. Fates Decide my undertakings for me. I never go to seek them. They come to me almost in spite of me. That has been my lot all my life long, in South Africa as well as ever since my return to India. I am too conscious of the imperfections of the species to which I belong to be irritated against any member thereof. My remedy is to deal with the wrong wherever I see it, not to hurt the wrong-doer, even as I would not like to be hurt for the wrongs I continually do. Differences of opinion should never mean hostility. If they did, my wife and I should be sworn enemies of one another. I do not know two persons in the world who had no difference of opinion, and as I am a follower of the Gita, I have always attempted to regard those who differ from me with the same affection as I have for my nearest and dearest. It is to me a matter of perennial satisfaction that I retain generally the affection and trust of those whose principles and policies I oppose. The South Africans gave me personally their confidence and extended their friendship. In spite of my denunciation of British policy and system I enjoy the affection of thousands of Englishmen and women, and in spite of unqualified condemnation of modern materialistic civilization, the circle of European and American friends is ever widening. It is again a triumph of non-violence. I implicitly believe in the truth of the saying that not a blade of grass moves but by His will. He will save it [my life] if He needs it for further service in this body. None can save it against His will. I claim to be a votary of truth from my childhood. It was the most natural thing to me. My prayerful search gave me the revealing maxim Truth is God, instead of the usual one God is Truth. That maxim enables me to see God face to face as it were. I feel Him pervade every fibre of my being. My life has been an open book. I have no secrets and I encourage no secrets. I am used to misrepresentation all my life. It is the lot of every public worker. He has to have a tough hide. Life would be burdensome if every misrepresentation had to be answered and cleared. It is a rule of life with me never to explain misrepresentations except when the cause requires correction. This rule has saved much time and worry. I have been known as a crank, faddist, mad man. Evidently the reputation is well deserved. For wherever I go, I draw to myself cranks, faddists and mad men. I am, indeed, a practical dreamer. My dreams are not airy nothings. I want to convert my dreams into realities as far as possible. I know that I have still before me a difficult path to traverse. I must reduce myself to zero. So long as one does not of his own free will put himself last among his fellow-creatures, there is no salvation for him. Ahimsa is the farthest limit of humility. It seems to me that I understand the ideal of truth better than that of ahimsa, and my experience tells me that if I let go my hold of truth, I shall never be able to solve the riddle of ahimsa... In other words, perhaps, I have not the courage to follow the straight course. Both at bottom mean one and the same thing, for doubt is invariably the result of want or weakness of faith. 'Lord, give me faith' is, therefore, my prayer day and night. I remain an optimist, not that there is any evidence that I can give that right is going to prosper, but because of my unflinching faith that right must prosper in the end... Our inspiration can come only from our faith that right must ultimately prevail. There are limits to the capacity of an individual, and the moment he flatters himself that he can undertake all tasks, God is there to humble his pride. For myself, I am gifted with enough humility to look even to babes and sucklings for help. A Drop in the ocean partakes of the greatness of its parent, although it is unconscious of it. But it is dried up as soon as it enters upon an existence independent of the ocean. We do not exaggerate when we say that life is a mere bubble. A seeker after truth cannot afford to be an egotist. One who would sacrifice his life for others has hardly time to reserve for himself a place in the sun. If we could erase the 'I's' and 'Mine's from religion, politics, economics, etc., we shall soon be free and bring heaven upon earth. It is curious how we delude ourselves. We fancy that one can make the perishable body impregnable and we think it impossible to evoke the hidden powers of the soul. Well, I am engaged in trying to show, if I have any of these powers, that I am as frail a mortal as any of us and that I never had anything extraordinary about me nor have any now. I have made the frankest admission of my many sins. But I do not carry their burden on my shoulders. If I am journeying Godward, as I feel I am, it is safe with me. For I feel the warmth of the sunshine of His presence. My austerities, fastings and prayers are, I know, of no value, if I rely upon them for reforming me. But they have an inestimable value, if they represent, as I hope they do, the yearnings of a soul striving to lay his weary head in the lap of his Maker. I admit my limitations. I have no university education worth the name. My high school career was never above the average. I was thankful if I could pass my examinations. Distinction in the school was beyond my aspiration. During the days of my education I had read practically nothing outside text books, and after I launched into active life I had very little time left me for reading. I cannot, therefore, claim much book knowledge. However, I believe I have not lost much because of this enforced restraint. On the contrary, the limited reading may be said to have enabled me thoroughly to digest what I did read. Of these books, the one that brought about an instantaneous and practical transformation in my life was Unto This Last. I translate dilator into Gujarati, entitling it Sarvodaya (the welfare of all). I believe that I discovered some of my deepest convictions reflected in this great book of Ruskin, and that is why it so captivated me and made me transform my life. I was living in South Africa then. It was the reading of Unto This Last on a railway journey to Durban in I904 when I was thirty-five that made me decide to change my whole outward life. There is no other word for it, Ruskin's words captivated me. I read the book in one go and lay awake all the following night, and I there and then decided to change my whole plan of life. Tolstoy I had read much earlier. He affected the inner being. |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:16 PM
Have you had "Monica Cigars" for breakfast this morning? |
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Drwho1
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posted October 01, 2001 02:18 PM
I do not smoke in mornings, but in nights |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:19 PM
So, have you ever had, "Monica" in the nights? |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:20 PM
I mean Cigars!! |
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Drwho1
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posted October 01, 2001 02:20 PM
yes |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:22 PM
Dr.I am really shamed to see someone like you named after my names? Have you ever felt shamed yourself being part odf the Tamil Race? RS |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:22 PM
So how was Monica? |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:23 PM
What did you exactly do with Monica that night? |
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Drwho1
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posted October 01, 2001 02:23 PM
Do not worry, I do what I can. |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:24 PM
I mean cigar? |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:25 PM
I heard you are the worst Tamil Guy on bed, is that true? |
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Drwho1
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posted October 01, 2001 02:27 PM
NO,I said For tamil race |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:28 PM
It was very LUCKY for Hammer; He is getting best things in life by marrying a Tamil Woman, sad for her!!RS |
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Drwho1
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posted October 01, 2001 02:29 PM
I born In Leo star, ask women ,people born in Leo star, what type of people |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:29 PM
Dr.Where do you live? In Canada? Toronto? RS |
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Drwho1
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posted October 01, 2001 02:32 PM
Other part of world, I think that you heard London in UK. |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:33 PM
I knew you are a LION, not a TIGERLeo, The Lion [Middle English, from Old French, from Latin leo, leon-, from Greek leon, of Semitic origin Hebrew labi’], contains the bright stars Regulus and Denebola and is on the Meridian on April 10. Leo was recognized as a lion by the ancient Sumerians, Babylonians, Persians, Syrians, Greeks, and Romans. In the ancient Chinese zodiac it was a figure of a horse. The Incan lore represented a springing puma. |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:34 PM
So have you had your "English Cup of Tea Yet?" |
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Drwho1
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posted October 01, 2001 02:35 PM
You have good konwledge in Astrology |
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Drwho1
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posted October 01, 2001 02:36 PM
For your question, Yes |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:44 PM
Not only in astrology, BUT also in Terminology, Sociology and in many many "logies" |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:46 PM
I am also good at foreign Languages too. For example, I speak Italian very very well: Spagetty, Macoroni, RaviOli, Pasta. |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:50 PM
Dr.I guess you married to a Sinhala Woman, don't ya? RS |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 02:52 PM
Dr.Do you have a cure for Hammer's Cancer? RS |
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Hammer
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posted October 01, 2001 06:55 PM
It was a very fascination conversation between you too! Just remembered a story of between two deaf.D1: Are you going to take a shower? D2: No I am going to take a shower. D1: I thought you were going to take a shower. Drwho1: Do you believe in Astrology?
Ranjan: We have at least three things in common: Besides the obvious two, the third one is: We won't both send our children to this war. They are in day care now, just like your kids. Don't feel sad for my wife? I will protect her kids from evil LTTE. They won't be sacrificed to Prabhakaran. You should see the way she blends Bharata Natyam with Salsa. My wife and your wife can be friends, what do you think? We will teach our kids Tamil and Sinhalese. They will be the next Sri Lankan ambassadors in peace!
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Hammer
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posted October 01, 2001 07:01 PM
Ranjan says "THE MOST RUTHLESS, IGNORANT, BLOODY people(The Sinhala)."This is a very racist comment Ranjan. What do you think Drwho1? |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 08:26 PM
Hammer the SLG Poster Man!Sure your wife and my wife can be Good friends, but I don't know about the kids, BUT I have one problem with that thought! IF MY WIFE EVER FINDS OUT THAT I WASTE TIME HERE RATHER THAN LEARNING SOMETHING NEW, SHE WOULD CUT ME INTO PIECES AND THROW ME IN THE GABBAGE CAN!! RS [This message has been edited by RaviS (edited October 01, 2001).] |
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Hammer
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posted October 01, 2001 08:35 PM
RanjanYou must be having a very loving and understanding relationship. You both certainly think alike  "SHE WOULD CUT ME INTO PIECES AND THROW ME IN THE GABBAGE CAN!!"
Translation: You both agree that you are garbage! (Sorry, I had to pick that one out from your own writing)
Make sure you won't let Visva talk to your wife, his talk about fine food and liqore will impress her and send you a Dear John.
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 09:23 PM
"You must be having a very loving and understanding relationship."I would be lying if I accept what you said above. I wish, but is not the case. I should say somewhat loving and somewhat understanding. "You both certainly think alike" Very wrong statement, SLIGHT OPPOSITE. argue for each and everything. certainly not. "SHE WOULD CUT ME INTO PIECES AND THROW ME IN THE GABBAGE CAN!!" I wouldn't say it due to understanding, but to AVOID further complications!! RS
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 09:31 PM
I know that someone else can treat me better for what I deserve, but it is too late to even think that. The kid(s) will keep us going like the Energizer Battery. It was an arrange marriege, I always wanted a love marriege. How about yours?RS |
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RaviS
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posted October 01, 2001 09:38 PM
I don't SMOKE, very seldom drink a little. I don't sleep with other woman, I don't go out with other woman, Come home straight from work, always study something, spent a lot of time with her, sing alone with her to avoid complications, WHAT ELSE A WOMAN WANT?RS |
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Hammer
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posted October 02, 2001 01:16 AM
I usually do Marriage counseling, but I come here to fight Terrorism. I don’t talk about my personal life however I have made myself the best person that I can be so that I don’t get complains. I try to use intelligence and negotiations a lot rather than emotions to solve issues. People should focus on themselves, try not to compare their relationship with others, be happy with what they have and shouldn’t pay much attention to what others have or have not. When greedy and jealousy combined with un-healthy competition with others, can make things worst. Usually when you get complains, she is trying to tell you something. When you are at work, you tend to do your best so that you get no complains. This practice should be extended to the home too. [This message has been edited by Hammer (edited October 02, 2001).] |
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RaviS
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posted October 02, 2001 02:13 PM
Ranjan: "We have at least three things in common: Besides the obvious two, the third one is: We won't both send our children to this war. They are in day care now, just like your kids." Well, his father was an Active Member of the Liberation Tigers in the Eighties; His father is a prime example of How LTTE recrute cadres, how they use them and how they release them. I joined with the LTTE when I was in High School. I took part in some training. I worked in their "First Aid to Injuired Cadres Unit". When I decided to persue something else, they released me happily. They don't Drag you in and Drag you out. Only if you have a WILL, you can become part of the Tigers Organization. Like his father, his son also has a duty to provide "HIS ACTIVE DUTIES TO HIS NATION". RS
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