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Casper posted March 02, 2001 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Casper     Edit Message
After the Portuguese took control of most parts of the Island of Sri Lanka,the Central Highlands and eastern coast, were under the control of an able Sinhalese nobleman, Vimala Dharma Sürya. All dealing , treaties atc. regarding Trincomalee and the east coast were between Vimala Dharma Sürya and or other sinhala kings, chiefs. IF (as the LTTE supportes like Henry claim) the east coast was under a Tamil king under the Jaffna kingdom, why didn't the Portugese deal with that Tamil king ? Can anyone enlighten me.

Visva posted March 02, 2001 11:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Visva   Click Here to Email Visva     Edit Message
Casper
A compromise could be reached here.

NORWAY posted March 02, 2001 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NORWAY   Click Here to Email NORWAY     Edit Message
TO: Historian Casper,

Do you know the Last Kandian King who survived the Portugese, Olanthu, and ONLY defeated by the British was TAMIL?

I know your Mahawamsa CRACK won't accept this, BUT it was the FACT!!

So What is your POINT?

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infolanka posted March 02, 2001 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for infolanka     Edit Message
She hasn't got a point.

its a racist vomiting all over the place.

thadhasinhalaya posted March 02, 2001 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for thadhasinhalaya   Click Here to Email thadhasinhalaya     Edit Message
Norawy .. what was his name?? Facts not bullshit.

Casper posted March 05, 2001 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Casper     Edit Message
Norway,
What was the name of this so called king ?????? Pulling "facts" out of your hat again, I see.

Drwho1 posted March 05, 2001 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Drwho1     Edit Message
First, I did not specialize in History. I tell facts of History which I studied at Secorndary standards,school, Sri Lanka, and read the books when I was in school.

North province had two kingdoms, one was Jaffna Kingdom, other one was Vanni Kingdom.

Nobdy said that Eastern Province was under Jaffna Kingdom, but some part of Eastern province was under vanni Kingdom, some part was under Kandy Kingdom.
However, Mostly Tamils and Malabars(from west coast of South India) lived at East Province under Kandy Kingdom.
Last king Raja sinha of Kandy kingdom was from Malabars,but married the queen from royal family of Kandy Kingdom.

When TULF were formed,they included some part of Kandy province in their tamil Eelam map.

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NORWAY posted March 05, 2001 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NORWAY   Click Here to Email NORWAY     Edit Message
CORRECTION:

"Last king Raja sinham of Kandy kingdom"..............He was a TAMIL

NORWAY posted March 05, 2001 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NORWAY   Click Here to Email NORWAY     Edit Message
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Peacekeeper posted March 06, 2001 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peacekeeper     Edit Message
Correct, a Malabar (Tamil). Until the 14th century, the language spoken in Malabar (Kerala) was Tamil (this explains why he signed the surrender treaty to the British in Tamil as opposed to Sinhala, as did most of his royal family). It deviated into Malayalam due to the introduction of Sanskrit words by the 14th century. This is well known check any encyclopaedia under Dravidian language family, subcategory Malayalam. To this day Jaffna Tamil is likened more to Malayalam than to TN Tamil.

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Observer posted March 06, 2001 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Observer     Edit Message
…. By the way, for the recent members of this forum, -Henry likes to pull historical facts out of his ass. LTTE is the best in that game.

Observer posted March 06, 2001 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Observer     Edit Message

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Casper posted March 06, 2001 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Casper     Edit Message
Trincomalee was never under the rule of a king from Jaffna Kingdom or this so called Vanni Kingdom.

Norway, Don't speak of thing you don't know. Read more about the Kandy Kingdom and about Sri Wickrema Rajasinghe.

It was customery for some Kandian rulers to marry brides from Indian Royal families. In the event the king and queen were unable to bare sons, for some reason, the next in line to the throne was the queen's brother.


-Henry,
I suggest you learn history before you shout about your colonization c__p.

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thadhasinhalaya posted March 10, 2001 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for thadhasinhalaya   Click Here to Email thadhasinhalaya     Edit Message
now now henry dont dodge the issue .... stay on point - i believe casper has referred to facts here - what do you have to refute?? nothing?? i thought so ....

Riaz posted March 12, 2001 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Riaz     Edit Message

- Henry posted March 13, 2001 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for - Henry     Edit Message
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Casper posted March 13, 2001 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Casper     Edit Message
-Henry,
Trincomalee has and will always be a part of Sri Lanka. It never was a part of a Jaffna Kingdom. Please give me a name of any king from this sop called Jaffna kingdom who ruled over Trincomalee, ever. You have no names. Your argument was that since the areas of the crayon map drawn by the LTTE claiming an Eelam includes areas which were "traditional Tamil homelands" prior to the invasions by the Europeans. Give me evidence to prove your point.

NORWAY posted March 13, 2001 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NORWAY   Click Here to Email NORWAY     Edit Message
King NORWAY will be rulling the whole country soon.

Casper posted March 13, 2001 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Casper     Edit Message
King of Norway will rule over SL ?? Let's bring in their constitution too !!!

- Henry posted March 13, 2001 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for - Henry     Edit Message
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Casper posted March 13, 2001 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Casper     Edit Message
-Henry,
You are not answering my question.
Your argument was that the Eelam map (the crayon map !) includes the Eastern province, since these were traditional "Tamil Homelands" prior to the European invasions. What proof do you have to back this claim ?? Who was the Tamil king who ruled over Trincomalee prior to the European invasions ??? Answer that question.
I have addressed your "colonization" cry many many times. I am tired of answering your same cries...day after day.

The fact that the distribution of the races was not caused by post-independence ‘colonisation’ schemes is born out by studies such as "An Appraisal of the Concept of a Traditional Tamil Homeland in Sri Lanka" by Prof. G. H. Peiris. The study clearly shows that the Sinhala majority in much of the Eastern province dates back at least as far as 1921.

Perhaps the fact that the Eastern Province is a traditional Sinhala homeland can be most easily illustrated by examining the name of the capital city of the province, Trincomalee. At the time when it was an Aryan settlement, Trincomalee was called Gokarnatheertha. Later through several evolutions this became Gokanna and finally
Gona. The Tamils pronounce Gona as Kona. Thiru means sacred and malai means hill.
Essentially Thiru-kona-malai means "the sacred hill of Gona" (Vimalananda). The name
Trincomalee is simply a translation from the original Sinhalese.

If any ethnic group should therefore be accused of having engaged in colonizing
activity in the Eastern province, it is the Tamils. Chelvanayakam claiming that the
Sinhalese were “colonizing” Tamil areas is tantamount to white Americans complaining
that Red Indians were stealing their lands. In any event, when the first new settlements were established under the Gal Oya scheme, Senanayake made the first offer to the residents of the area who happened to be Tamils. Only when this offer was turned down were persons from other areas given the opportunity to come and settle there (Somasunderam, 1999). In 1957 the Minister of Lands even made arrangements
for 400 Tamil families to be settled in the Padaviya area (Vittachi). Further, in
examining the demographics of actual colonizing made by the state, it is clear that a large number of Tamils were also included (Gunesekera, S.L.).


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- Henry posted March 13, 2001 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for - Henry     Edit Message
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Casper posted March 13, 2001 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Casper     Edit Message
-Henry,
Your argument was that the Eelam map (the crayon map !) includes the Eastern province, since these were traditional "Tamil Homelands" prior to the European invasions. What proof do you have to back this claim ?? Who was the Tamil king who ruled over Trincomalee prior to the European invasions ??? Answer that question.

Casper posted March 14, 2001 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Casper     Edit Message

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