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Topic: ANYBODY KNOW WHY THE SHAMELESS SINHALESE COPY ALL TAMIL MOVIES AND TAMILS SONGS?
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Antony
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posted May 13, 2000 03:06 AM
ANYBODY KNOW WHY THE SHAMELESS SINHALESE COPY ALL TAMIL MOVIES AND TAMILS SONGS? EVEN THEY HAVE ACTORS NAMED AFTER THE TAMIL FILM STARS. WHY??? |
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Ali G
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posted May 13, 2000 06:46 PM
sinhala language and culture are very primitive.They even dont have a calendar of their own, so they copied 'Tamil New Year' as theirs and called it 'Avrudhu'. once I worked with a Sinhalees gentleman called Mr Alvis. He was a forman in the SL railways. He told me that when he was a little boy, they didn't even have any sinhala books for kinder garden kids. (Now, imagin the wealth of tamil literature we have, I think 'Thirukkural' was written some 2000 years ago). So as Tamils we should help these sinhala people to educate themselves. The Eelam trouble is a very short but sad period in Tamil calendar. We will defeat these uneducated idiots. |
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thadhasinhalaya
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posted May 13, 2000 11:41 PM
there is no problem whatsoever with our culture which go back as far as the old Kings - the Sinhalese culture is quite strong and distinct from anything else in Sri Lanka - and is afar cry from the tamnil culture of being parasites and refugees in other countries, terrorists and child murderers. Your culture is based on Hindu religion and South Indian culture so I suggest you go back to Tamil Nadu and carry on with your Thiruklkkanamaisns or whatever!!! We dont want any part of your culture (or lack of it!!) |
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Ali G
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posted May 14, 2000 06:32 AM
Modhasinhalayakata vapang huththo. |
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lanka_s
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posted May 14, 2000 05:00 PM
thadhasinhalaya,Remember our old Sinhala sayings,... Pirunu Kale' Diya Nosale' Ballek Buruwate' Kandakk Paathwaida? It is obvious some of these people don't have a clue of what they are writing about. I guess it's their way of letting out their frustration. So go easy on them my friend. |
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SpeedyGonzalez
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posted May 15, 2000 12:25 AM
We don't need to go back to Tamil Nadu. The South Indian Tamils are more than welcome to come and stay in Tamil Eelam. |
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thadhasinhalaya
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posted May 15, 2000 12:34 AM
Speedy Wee guess what ... I invited my South Indian Tamil friend o come and stay ... but he couldnt find it on the map? Perhaps you know where it is?? In your dreams perhaps ... |
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SpeedyGonzalez
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posted May 15, 2000 12:47 AM
A simple comparison of early works of literature:Thirukkural - 300 B.C. Dipavamsa - 4 A.D. Case closed. If I'm wrong, correct me. |
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lanka_s
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posted May 15, 2000 01:16 AM
Speedy,So what is your argument here? Are you saying that Tamil is a superior race to Sinhalese just because some book was written a few hundred year before the other? |
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Nilame
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posted May 15, 2000 01:35 AM
As far as i am concerned, both those books are bloody old and do not have any relevance to today. If we start descending in to 'who is better' level, We are beyond hope. What's next? How about 'who has the longer *****?
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infolanka
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posted May 15, 2000 07:20 PM
Well, thats your standard.'Thirukural' the Tamil ethics translated in to more than 50 languages and the writings are still relavent, Only if you guys can read or understand it. Go and check sizes, thats what you are good at. |
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SpeedyGonzalez
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posted May 15, 2000 09:43 PM
Lanka_S: I did not comment on which culture is superior. The original topic was how the Singhalese movies were copied from Tamil movies. And by your stand on the issue, it seemed like you thought the Singhalese culture was older than the Tamil culture. I was merely stating the huge time difference between such reputed works which proves that the Tamil culture did precede the Singhalese culture and therefore the possibilities of Singhalese texts being copied from Tamil ones do very well exist. Thats all. And besides, isn't a culture's superiority and age based on how early communication, especially the written word, is discovered in that culture? If that is the case, you know the answer to your question on which culture is superior. [This message has been edited by SpeedyGonzalez (edited May 15, 2000).] |
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SLQT
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posted May 16, 2000 03:06 AM
Um.. Abt the "Avurudhu" thing. Sinhala ppl didn't copy jack shit. Itz sumthin' Tamils and sinhalese both beleive in as the beginning of a new year...the harvesting of crops!!!! that's what the new year is to SL ppl...itz a thing that's shared!!! not copied!!!!...obviously..sinhala and tamil ppl harvested crops at the same time so OH DAMN! new year on the same time too! ...damn fools..ALL of U!! [This message has been edited by SLQT (edited May 16, 2000).] |
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lanka_s
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posted May 16, 2000 05:25 PM
>SpeedyGonzalez wrote... > >I was merely stating the huge time difference >between such reputed works which proves that the >Tamil culture did precede the Singhalese culture >and therefore the possibilities of Singhalese >texts being copied from Tamil ones do very well exist. >Thats all.Well, I cannot agree or disagree with you there because I don't know enough of either of these reputed works (the two books). >And besides, isn't a culture's superiority and age >based on how early communication, especially >the written word, is discovered in that culture? Age yes, Superiority no. In my opinion a culture's superiority depends entirely on it's acts. And it is by no means a historic issue. In any case I strongly believe such arguments regarding culture and religion is futile and unethical. |
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Antony
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posted May 17, 2000 01:02 AM
The new year is celebrated by Tamils: Tamilnadu Tamils and Eelam Tamils. If we look back a few decades back, the Singalese did not have a new year celebration. But Tamils celebrates it for more than 2500 years which called 'Vasantha Vila' means the arraival of the new season and it became the Tamils' New year. Well you Singalese people are came from North India and the North Indian Do not Celebrate the New year in 'Chithirai' (mid-April - mid-May) how come you guys celebrate it??? So, it's mean the New Year Firstival is the Tamils' Firstival. |
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infolanka
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posted May 17, 2000 05:58 PM
Tamils have a calender and 14 April is the 1st day of that calender. I understand the Tamil calender is morethan 5000 years old. Next to Jewish calender.The harvest day for Tamils is in January and its called 'Thai pongal'. We do not harvest in April, may be you guys are. Now, do you have a sinhala calender???.. (Chandrika will invent one now and call it year 5001, ha ..ha...haa.. we beat the Tamils now). |
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thadhasinhalaya
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posted May 19, 2000 09:18 AM
Antony writes that the Tamil new year is celebrated by Tamil Nadu Tamils and Ealam Tamils --- sorry buddy -- what EALAM TAMILS??? Where is Ealam??? However, what is interesting is how he equates the Tamil Nadu tamils with the ones in Jaffna ie. the Jaffna Tamils are from Tamil Nadu and do not belong in SL, which brings me back to the point I have made time and time agian ... piss off back to Tamil Nadu and everyone will be happy!!! |
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infolanka
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posted May 19, 2000 04:12 PM
Ado kari modhasinhalaya,LTTE will piss you off. |
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lanka_s
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posted May 20, 2000 07:07 PM
Isn't it interesting how people show their true colours when the 'correct' buttons are pressed? Do I detect a hint if 'Ali G' in 'infolanka'? hmm... keeping up with the tradition, I suppose? |
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thadhasinhalaya
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posted May 20, 2000 07:30 PM
Lanka-s - I like it actually ... it means my point hit home and he/they/whoever they are have no comeback - not an intelligent one anyway ... any fool can swear.[This message has been edited by thadhasinhalaya (edited May 21, 2000).] |
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Reality
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posted May 22, 2000 05:13 AM
Antony,It`s not only the Sinhalese who copy the stories and songs, Kamal has copied many Hollywood movies. Copying is not an unusal thing, Kanna! [This message has been edited by Reality (edited May 22, 2000).] |
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lanka_s
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posted May 22, 2000 05:19 PM
Getting back to the original topic... Personally I cannot understand why anyone other than Tamils would want to copy Tamil movies and songs. I would think that Tamil movies and songs would have their own styles which might not neccessarily blend properly into other languages. But since I do not watch Tamil movies or listen to Tamils songs I could be wrong here. In any case the only way to prevent someone from copying is to use the copyright laws. PS: I understand that some Sri Lankan movies (the ones that are made for the general masses - purely for economic reasons) are heavily influenced by the Hindi movies. But I guess that is a different issue. |
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infolanka
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posted May 24, 2000 06:58 PM
lanka_shit,if you want to copy go ahead and do it. you guys are from jungle and needall the support. |
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thadhasinhalaya
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posted May 24, 2000 07:16 PM
coming from another LTTE jungle boy child killer poof thats funny ... |
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infolanka
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posted May 24, 2000 07:22 PM
watch out,kari modhasinhalaya is looking for little boys. |
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lanka_s
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posted May 25, 2000 12:49 AM
>infolanka wrote... > >if you want to copy go ahead and do it. you guys >are from jungle and needall the support.Err... come again? What do you mean? I don't remember admitting to the allegations of Sinhalese copying Tamil movies. Yet your comments suggests I did. What gives? |
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infolanka
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posted May 25, 2000 07:08 PM
lanka_shitThanks for responding.. [This message has been edited by infolanka (edited May 25, 2000).] [This message has been edited by infolanka (edited May 25, 2000).] |
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lanka_s
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posted May 25, 2000 09:51 PM
hmmm... we seem to have some very confused people around here. A lot of irrelevant postings. How on earth can someone maintain a proper discussion like this?... I'm starting to miss Speedy (at least he was able to stick to the subject). |
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SpeedyGonzalez
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posted May 26, 2000 05:43 AM
Just for curiosity's sake, I am wondering when the first Sinhalese movie was released. Can anyone help me out?The first South Indian movie, "Keechaka Vadham" was made by a certain Nataraja Mudaliar in 1919. Only six years after it's Hindi counterpart. Talking about the influence of cultures on movies, an upcoming movie by a Tamil actor, Kamal Hassan (A personal favourite of mine) is to be called "Thennali" where Kamal plays the role of a Sri Lankan Tamil escaping to Tamil Nadu. It seems he has some Sinhalese lines and so is learning Sinhala at the moment. [This message has been edited by SpeedyGonzalez (edited May 26, 2000).] |
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lanka_s
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posted May 29, 2000 07:52 PM
Speedy,I think the first Sinhalese movie would have been made in the early 1930s.. I'm not sure though. Anyone care to enlighten us? |
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infolanka
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posted May 30, 2000 06:21 AM
Early 30's???ha..ha..ha....Its funny. In 1930 you guys are half monkeys. by the way how come you have a 'new year' when you dont have a calender or dont know what is 'a year'?? |
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tino
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posted May 30, 2000 08:30 AM
Hey we should be proud that people from different races copy tamil songs and movies .. this shows that tamil movies and songs have some quality..even the hindi film industry copies tamil songs and storyline and infact so many actreses and actors in north india are waiting in line to act in tamil movies. Pratically all top hindi heroines right from Manisha Koiralla to Beauty Queens Aiswarya Rai and Sushmita Sen have acted in tamil movies and we must not forget Shah Rukh Kahn who recently acted in a tamil movie with Kamal. As for the Sinhala comunity they can go on copiying everything from what we wear to what we eat and still claim that it's their "original" idea in the first place. |
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infolanka
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posted January 21, 2001 04:42 PM
Happy Thai Pongal for all.If the Sinhalees can learn Tamil, they will understand what they r missing |
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Peacekeeper
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posted January 22, 2001 08:51 AM
The Tamil New Year is on the Birthday of the famous Tamil philosopher Tiruvalluvar. The fact that the Sinhala New Year was originally called the Tamil New Year till British times is undisputed by all authoritative sources, it changed to "Hindu New year" (only in sri lanka) in the 1930's, and the 1950's saw it being referred to as the "sri lankan new year", later on within the last few decades it became known as the Sinhala new year too. This is well documented. In addition, the Tamil masterpiece the "Cilapatikaram", was written in 900 B.C. In it's preface it claims to be a copy of an older work written thousands of years before that date! Tamil Nadu is not the original homeland of the Tamils. Our literature (our equivalent of the Mahavamsa) states that we originally inhabited an island called "Tamizhakam" which is South East of India till there was a great flood in 7000 B.C. Then we moved North Westwards as the sea levels rose. It is not known whether at this time Ceylon was attached to India or whether it was attached to the island called "Tamizhakam" (since it was on the same continental shelf). And the origins of the name "Eelam" (correctly pronounced "Eezham") go back to the "Cilapatikaram" (900 B.C.). One of the authors claims to be from Eelam. There is no other place in India or South East Asia called Eelam. There are also temple inscriptions in India circa 100 A.D. which refer to gifts made to the temples by visitors from Eelam. Rajaraja "The Great" in 985 A.D. and various Pandyan kings (400-600 A.D.) referred to the Northern province of Ceylon which included Anuradhapuram at that time as Eelam, and his son Rajendra referred to the entire island as such. For centuries Ceylon has been referred to as Eelam Mandalam (Eelam abode/province or Eelam island depending on the translation) by South Indians so it can be assumed that it referred to Ceylon.[This message has been edited by Peacekeeper (edited January 22, 2001).] |
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Drwho1
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posted January 22, 2001 12:47 PM
You are right that Continous Land of Kanniyakumari was submerged by Sea. City of Old Tamil sangam was under sea. That time it was possible that present Sri Lanka was attached with the main land(India) |
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Casper
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posted February 05, 2001 12:41 PM
Hhhhmmmm interesting how the Tamils on this forum so willingly take credit for the Tamil literature/movies etc that originated in Tamil Nadu, while they claim to be "different" from the Tamils of Tamil Nadu and claim Eelam and not tamil Nadu to be their "homeland". Care to enlight us on any historical literary or engineering works of the Tamils in the "so called Eelam" ?? Any sculptures ?? Any water tanks or canals in the scale of Kala Weva and the likes ? Any stupas in the scale of LankaTilaka ? Avukana ? Any structure in the scale of Ruwanveli Saya ? Ali G, don't talk about things you don't know about. Clearly you have no knowledge of the Sinhala Language and Sinhala literature....you are only showing off your ignorence. Eeerrrr and as a final note... Keechaka Vadham - the first Tamil movie was made in South India, by according to Speedy himself ! I am not saying one ethnic group is superior or inferior to the other  |
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infolanka
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posted February 05, 2001 05:48 PM
Hey you!!!dont forget to clean the dishes!!! |
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Drwho1
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posted February 06, 2001 07:29 AM
Casper(I saw that the cartoon film manytimes, very interesting film),I could answer your question in engineering point view. First, I think that you know that Geography and Geology of land of Sri Lanka, if not, does not matter. I accepted that old Sinhala Kings contributed particularly for Irrigation Engineering as canals, and big lakes. Reason that apart from Jaffna, land of Sri Lanka(Ceylon) contains naturally many rivers.So they used futher. In Jaffna, we used wells (because of limestone), For Irrigation, depends on Raining. That why Jaffna people had good knowledge in astrolgy(astrolgy were abstracted by knowledge of astronomy. They used astrolgy, for finding raining seasons. How ever, Jaffna people had good engineering knowledge,as to build wells(you could call well engineering). I think that you heard of that one well in Jaffna, even continued to pump water from the well , water level was not reduced as expect. In Jaffna, there is no natural river, but there is artficial river, it is called Thodamann aru(river). I think that It was built by Jaffna Tamils(or their King). Jaffna people are group of small numbers of people, they could not contribute as tamil nadu people to Tamil literature, cinema( early times, Jaffna society did not accept . specially for women , to act in cinema, but we see cinema), etc. Jaffna people completey depended on Tamil Nadu, but that also Tamil, what is wrong with that. I knew that Sinhala History, but I did not know Sinhala literature, unfortunately I could not read Sinhala language fluently.
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Casper
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posted February 06, 2001 09:14 AM
Drwho1, Thanks for your reply  You are one of the very polite people I have met on this forum p.s: Yes, Casper is a cartoon character. he is a "friendly ghost" 
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Peacekeeper
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posted February 08, 2001 07:39 PM
Casper, you seem to forget that many of the Buddhist monuments in whole or in part were built by Tamils. We do not differentiate between the ancient Tamils from both sides of the strait as we were all one and the same! Any differences arose since European colonial times when the Portuguese arrived in Jaffna an when the Turks and British invaded Madurai. Jaffna in ancient times had many huge monuments, alas they were destroyed by the Portuguese by their own admissions. There were many monumental Hindu kovils spread throughout the island, and espeacially along the coasts from Chilaw to Point Pedro, and from there to Kataragama. Murugan is a purely Tamil deity...the son of Shiva, God absolute. All of these original temples were raised to the ground by portuguese admission and documentation. Tirukoneeswaran had at least one 1,000 pillared hall according to the Portuguese, that would have made the structure at least 2km long! I can only imagine what the temples in Yarlpanam were like given that there were over 200 large stone temples destroyed by Portuguese cannon balls during that period alone! Plus many of the temples in South India had heavy Ceylon-Tamil contributions in terms of labour and monetary inputs. This is well documented in temple archives. The magnificent temple at Tiruchendur had substantial Ceylon-Tamil contributions. Infact the temple's vel (the spear of Murugan on it's gopuram) faces towards Nallur temple's vel in Jaffna! A tribute to the long relationship between the Pandyan Tamil people and us. |
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Peacekeeper
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posted February 22, 2001 12:34 PM
Speedy, Unfortunately I don't have the link to the article but I do remember reading in a Sri Lankan Newspaper, the Sunday Times I believe, that the first Sinhala movie was written, directed, and produced by Ceylon-Tamil production companies and involved Tamil actors. It was later dubbed into Sinhala. It is worth noting especially since this means the Sinhala film industry was initiated and financed by the Tamils in it's early days, we started it! And this occured in the late 1930's. There wasn't a totally indigenous Sinhala movie industry till the late 1950's though Ceylon Tamils still played a major role. It is interesting to note that we never made a major attempt to pursue an indigineous Ceylon-Tamil movie industry since we had no wish to compete with the Indian films. This however has changed dramatically and now Ceylon Tamils are actively involved in producing and directing Indian Tamil cinema. Witness Ceylon Manoharan and the various Jaffna Tamils in the Tamil music industry. There is also a Ceylon Tamil industry that was originally based out of Jaffna in the 1950's and 1960's, but which is now based in Mullaitivu. From the depictions of rural life and related dramas we've moved onto depictions of life under conditions of war. The LTTE's war docu-dramas are themselves quite dramatic. The "Elephant Pass" film was quite mind-boggling though the equipment and editing seemed amateurish. However, the unique content and powerful speeches more than made up for it! The image of Tiger guerrilas being surrounded on all sides by enemy forces was incredible. Having run out of amunition deep behind enemy lines and totally outnumbered, they would literally take the weapons from enemy soldiers they killed and use that against them! In one scene, when it becomes apparent that the Tigers have run out of ammo the SLA send an armoured thrust against this small group, in the process the LTTE destroy a tank with RPG's. Then one LTTE cadre, jumps on top of the destroyed tank, and from the roof uses it's machine gun to spray fire onto the other advancing tanks! Such bold courage as the female tiger who fired from her boat directly onto an incoming Mi-24 Hind helicopter, with the boat speeding directly towards the Mi-24, the helicopter's gunfire rippling the waters inching ever-closer to the boat. If there were any doubts as to the incredible courage of our soldiers, watch this movie and those doubts will be put to rest. |
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Casper
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posted February 22, 2001 05:38 PM
"you seem to forget that many of the Buddhist monuments in whole or in part were built by Tamils"So you mean things like the Ruwanveli Saya, Avukana and Lanka Thilaka were built by Tamils ? What proof do you have for that ? Why would Tamils (who were mainly Hindu at the time) build such magnificent Buddhists Temples, stupas, structures etc, while not building any such Hindu structures ? Why were only the Hindu structures destroyed by the Europeans while leaving many of the Buddhist structures intact ? Peacekeeper, Is this the link about Tamil Cinema in Sri Lanka ? (that you wanted to give Speedy) www.frontlineonline.com/fl1604/16040780.htm http://www.indiaserver.com/thehindu/2000/02/06/stories/09060222.htm Doyen of Sinhala cinema Lester James Peries, who won the Lifetime Achievement Award at the IFFI, portrayed existential realities and nuances of rural life in his films. D.B.S. JEYARAJ feels that Peries's training as a documentary film-maker and his penchant for creative literature are reflected in his works. LESTER JAMES PERIES, the pioneer of authentic Sinhala cinema, was the recipient of the Lifetime Achievement Award at the 31st International Film Festival of India that concluded last week in New Delhi. Last year it was awarded to Italian film maker Bernardo Bertolucci. It was fitting indeed that the doyen of Sri Lankan film directors was honoured so in New Delhi because it was that city which catapulted Peries to fame 36 years ago. His "Gamperaliya"( Village Upheaval ) received the Golden Peacock award for Best Film then. The first Sinhala movie was "Kadawuna Porunthuva" (Broken Promise). Made in Madras it was released in 1947. Most Sinhala films in the first decade were heavily influenced by Hindi and Tamil "masala" films. It was said that the only thing "Sinhala" about them were the actors and the dialogue. The pioneering departure from this trend was by Lester in 1956 when his maiden feature film "Rekawa" ( Destiny) was released. Shot entirely in Sri Lankan outdoorlocations the path breaking film altered the destiny of Sinhala films. From "Rekawa" to his last film so far "Avagira", the auteur has left his celluloid imprint in a productive career that has spanned five decades. Critics have described the nature of his films as the "cinema of contemplation". India's greatest film maker Satyajit Ray considered Peries to be of the same mould as him and once referred to the Sri Lankan as his "closest relative East of the Suez". In spite of the creative affinity between the two, Peries was not influenced by Ray when he made his first film. Regi Siriwardena, the well known Sri Lankan writer and critic, says that Peries had not seen "Pathar Panchali" or "Apu Sansar" when he made "Rekawa". Siriwardena who worked as scriptwriter with Peries on some films, told this writer by telephone that the first Ray film seen by Lester was "Aparajitho" and that too after "Rekawa" was made. "It is a classic instance of two great Asian directors being of the same creative wavelength and proceeding on a parallel course independent of each other" says Siriwardena. The octogenarian director was born on April 5, 1919 in Dehiwela, a suburb of Colombo. Born to Catholic parents with an affluent westernised background, Lester had his schooling at St. Peter's College. His parents wanted him to become a lawyer or doctor while his teachers wanted him to be a priest. Lester, however, wanted to study literature and began writing stories, poems and plays from his student days. He was also an incurable film buff. After leaving school, Lester went to London where he led a bohemian existence that bordered on the avant garde. While working as correspondent of the Colombo-based Times of Ceylon, Peries also engaged himself in making short films and documentaries. A short film "Soliloquy" made in 1949 won an award for artistic and technical merit from the Institute of Amateur and Research film makers of Great Britain in 1951. Returning to Ceylon or Sri Lanka as it was known then in 1954, Peries joined the Government Film Unit and began churning out several documentaries. Associated with him at the GFU were cameraman Willie Blake and editor Titus Thotawatte. Yearning to create meaningful films the trio resigned from the GFU and embarked on the "Rekawa" venture. The trio broke up later, with Blake migrating to Australia and Thotawatte becoming a film director in his own right. Thereafter Peries worked with a number of different artistes and technical personnel in different pictureswithout being tied down to a particular team for long. The only exception was his wife Sumithra who has been editing his films and assisting in screenplays. In later years, Sumithra blossomed into a successful film director who could portray feminine, but not necessarily feminist, issues sensitively on screen. She also served as Ambassador to France where her husband received the French Legion D' Honour. Lester's early training as a documentary film maker as well as his penchant for creative literature were reflected in his films. According to Regi Siriwardena, the twin hallmarks of Lester's auteuristic film making approach were his stylistic "construction of narrative" and ability to "capture and project actualities in a realistic manner". "His documentary experience as literary background made this possible" says Siriwardena. After "Rekawa", Peries made "Sandesaya" (Message), a historic drama set against the Portuguese conquest of the Island. Then came "Gamperaliya" in 1964 that made its mark in the New Delhi film festival. It was the first of a trilogy based on novels by the late Martin Wickremasinghe, a Sinhala literary colossus. The others were "Kaliyugaya" (Era of Kali or Kaliyug) and "Yuganthaya" (End of an era). The three films made after long intervals of time depicted on celluloid the collapse of the old order and the emergence of the new. Together they comprise an epic of transition portraying vividly on screen the struggle between a dyingworld and another struggling to be born. His greatest movie however was "Nidhanaya"(Treasure) made in 1970. Based on a novelette by G. B. Senanayake, it won the Royal Lion award at the Venice film festival. It is also included in the global list of 100 best films to be ever made that was compiled by the Cinematic Institute of France to mark the World Film centenary. Nidhanaya also won the award at Sri Lanka's Golden Jubilee of Independence for being the best Sinhala movie in 50 years. It also won critical acclaim as one of the ten top Asian films for all time. Though a citizen of the world with a cosmopolitan background, he succeeded greatly in portraying the existential realities and nuances of rural Sri Lanka and its ontological veneer. Some of his milestones include "Delovak Athara" (Between Two Worlds), "Golu Hadawatha"(Silent Longing) "Ran Salu" (Golden Robe), "Akkara Paha" (Five Acres) "Ahasin Polowata"(From Sky To Earth) and "Beddagama" (Village In The Jungle). The only English film made by Peries was "God King", a Sri Lankan-German co-production. With a blend of foreign and local artistes, the film was shot in Sri Lanka. The story revolved around a Sinhala monarch Kassyap who built the Lion Fortress- palace rendered famous by its frescoes on Mount Sigiriya. The stipulations of a foreign-funded movie restricted Peiris's creative control and cramped his style severely. The result was quite visible in the finished product which was not one of the director's best work. As a pioneer of authentic Sinhala cinema, the trail-blazing Lester has been inspiring two generations of film makers in the country. He has also introduced a number of artistes and technicians who went on to make a name for themselves. He has been on the jury of several international film festivals. Peries has also been conferred honorary doctorates by several institutions. Lester James Peries has received a number of awards in a lifetime of film making. The IFFI is to be commended in bestowing upon the veteran director on January 20 this year the Lifetime Achievement Award in what is probably the crowning glory of a hectic, eventful and productive life. [This message has been edited by Casper (edited February 22, 2001).] [This message has been edited by Casper (edited February 22, 2001).] |
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Website
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posted March 13, 2001 03:07 AM
Who wants to copy Tamil stuff? The Tamil language has got to be the harshest language to listen to! My god its like hearing people fight amd rip each other to shreds. No thanks! |
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deva
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posted March 13, 2001 06:16 AM
Anton, We Sinhalese don't copy from your tamil movies or songs. Instead we copy things from Hindi. Our race is mixed with Hindi people and so we have the right to copy Hindi songs and movies. Who are u to raise objections on it? Anyway your (LTTE's) brutal actions are copied by terrorists like Talibans not by us. |
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tino
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posted March 13, 2001 10:17 AM
Deva, Website.where do you think hindi film industry get most of it's story from? From the south indian cinema and most of it is from Tamil film industry. Since the Sinhalese don't want anything to do with Tamil cinema then how come one of the top sinhalese actress Sabhita Perera acted in a tamil movie and that also in a low budget film. Who wants to copy Tamil stuff? The Tamil language has got to be the harshest language to listen to! My god its like hearing people fight amd rip each other to shreds. No thanks! Then how come top hindi stars such as Aiswarya Rai to Manisha Koiralla is learning to speak tamil?......even your favorite Hero Shah Rukh Khan spoke tamil in a tamil movie. How come none of them is bothered to learn Sinhala?
Our race is mixed with Hindi people and so we have the right to copy Hindi songs and movies. Funny!none of u guys look remotely like them and that statement is one of the stupidest one I ever heard. Stop being childish all of you. Good cinema has got no language, so stop comparing! |
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Peacekeeper
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posted March 13, 2001 11:21 AM
Tino, I found that comment ammusing too! When I walk into Indian functions they almost always mistake me and my Tamil friends for Gujaratis or Punjabis, yet we proudly state that we are Dravidians (even though due to our caste the Vedic caste system claims that we are Aryans, though personally I don't believe in this caste nonsense!). Meanwhile Sinhalese shamelessly copy and ape "Aryan" names and western culture. Yet a North Indian can't tell the difference between the average Sinhalese and the average Tamil except clothing styles. I found it amusing that when I go to sri lankan functions, the sinhalese think that every light skinned person must be sinhala, and every dark one is tamil, however i know for a fact that the reverse is true when I actually get around to talking to them. This white-worshipping trait is non-existent in our culture, we have self-respect! Most sinhalese functions also seem to revolve around portuguese derived baila, western clothing and western alcohol, contrast with the Tamils working living and entertaining in our own culture. |
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posted March 13, 2001 08:52 PM
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posted March 13, 2001 11:20 PM
Why on earth do you guys even bother with such lame arguments? Surely, most commercial movie directors will do almost anything to satisfy the taste of the masses (including borrowing ideas from other movies). Not all cultures treat their cinemas and movie stars with as high regards as they do in Tamil culture. So some might not even bat an eyelid to these 'shameless copying' (as Antony put it).I must say it is sad to read the last posts from tino and Peacekeeper for whom I have had a little more respect than the rest of the Eelamists on this forum. But they too seem to be suffering from this 'my-culture-is-better-than-yours' syndrome. *sigh*
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posted March 14, 2001 02:59 PM
I have come to another conclusion. Now that we've firmly established the Tamil intellect is far superior to the Sinhalese one, its plausible to assume Tamil culture is superior to Sinhalese culture. After all, doesn't a culture reflect a people? |
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posted March 14, 2001 04:13 PM
-Henry, You have a false perception of being "intellectually superior". If the people who post on this forum is a representative sample of the Tamil and Sinhala people,(but it is not) it is very clear who is smart. If one looks at random a few posts of Visva, Ranjan and infolanka it is clear how smart this "so called superior race" actually is. -Henry, why are you so caught up in this grand illusion of Tamils being a superior race ?? You remind me of a Sinhala saying: "Pirunu kale diya nosale" translation: "water in a filled pot will not shake" To me, you sound a whole lot like Hitler.
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posted March 14, 2001 04:18 PM
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posted March 14, 2001 11:47 PM
I agree with tino. We have to be proud that our culture has been able to influence others.And yes, Peace Keeper is right. The first Sinhala movie, "Kadawuna Poronduva" was made by a Tamil by the name of S.M. Nayagam. In fact, a lot of the directors, producers, cinematographers, music directors, etc...were Tamils. Further most of the major theatres were owned by Tamils as well. But to the Sinhala community's credit, the first Sri Lankan-Tamil film, Samuthayam" was made by Henry Chandrawansa. |
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posted March 15, 2001 05:11 AM
Baila rocks and would kick any *harsh sounding* Tamil song any day to bits.I don't want to sound mean, but Tamil sounds positively disgusting when its spoken - it looks fine when written though....why even when there are Tamil parties, they play Sinhala baila songs!! http://www.lankatimes.com/music/CT_evergreen/Track9.ram http://www.lankatimes.com/music/CT_evergreen/Track10.ram http://www.lankatimes.com/music/CT_evergreen/Track11.ram [This message has been edited by Website (edited March 15, 2001).] |
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posted March 15, 2001 09:54 AM
Website,You are entitiled to your oppinions.....if you u find the tamil language disgusting that's really fine with us ( not as if we are bothered)and what may sound like rubbish to you may be appealing to others.
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posted March 15, 2001 10:36 AM
Casper: I know the Ancient Hindus were great mathematicians, astronomers, etc. Their philosophy was very distinguished as well. But I am not aware of a single lasting contribution to civilisation on the part of the Sinhalese. Perhaps you can "enlighten" me on this. |
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posted March 15, 2001 10:57 AM
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posted March 15, 2001 10:58 AM
Website, and don't they play Tamil songs at Sinhala parties? I've been to enough to know they do. As for our music/language sounding harsh...do a search for any popular Tamil song on the web (napster, etc.) and you'll find that the people who you are downloading from more often than not are non-Tamils! Tamil music sells millions more records in North India than in the South! I recently went to a Tamil music concert in Toronto, seating for 50,000 people, more than 60% of the seating was filled with North Indians, Middle Eastern, East Asian and white people!!! It was moving to see them moving along with the Tamils when the faster Tamil songs were playing. There was a white guy sitting next to us who even knew the words to the songs. I've met people from Romania, and Afghanistan who tell me they watch Tamil movies in their countries and they even showed me a movie magazine with a Tamil actress on the front cover! Sridevi and Rajnikanth are well known in Eastern Europe too! |
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posted March 15, 2001 03:59 PM
Listen to this song to feel the beauty of Pure chaste Tamil: tamilgallery.com/RealMedia/Minnale_2.rm (if this takes too long to download, then try the songs below, they'll be quicker!) Some Movie trailers for Tamil movies (listen to the songs): http://mounaragam.com/RealVideo/KKondenTrailer_2.rm http://mounaragam.com/RealVideo/AlaiPaayuthaeTrailer_2.rm http://mounaragam.com/RealVideo/AlaiPaayuthaeTrailer_3.rm Another Tamil movie, 'Muthu' has sold out in Japan! Not some dubbed version, this was hardcore Tamil. It grossed more than any other foreign movie in Japanese history!! Even more than 'Titanic'! To this day it's still playing in Japanese theatres and it's billboards are visible in downtown Tokyo. A Tamil music director A.R.Rahman (who has written and directed some Eelam songs) recently was signed up by none other than Andrew Lloyd Webber to do a coproduction due to the former's 'music genius', to use Andrew's own words. Eelam Songs: www.tamils.com/enter/songs/sound/Kaalam.ram www.eelaminfo.com/songs/aandandu.ram [This message has been edited by Peacekeeper (edited March 15, 2001).] |
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posted March 16, 2001 04:26 AM
Website doesnt mean to be mean when he says that "Tamil sounds positively disgusting when its spoken."I also don't want to sound mean when I say that I take offense to that you numb-skulled moron. :-) |
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posted March 16, 2001 08:42 AM
The fact is, Tamil as a language may be expressive but it is certainly not a pleasant language to listen compared to, say, Hindi, French and Sinhala or any other Indo-Aryan language for that matter. Malayalee sounds softer than Tamil too. Tamil songs usually sound cumbersome, because the words seem to be too long and too rough even if the music is beautiful.Further, Sri Lankan tamils cannot claim fame to songs or films made by Indian Tamils who infact, SPEAK a different form of Tamil to Lankan Tamils. Thus the cultural aspects of Sri Lankan Tamil society is rather dry (bone dry infact). I listened to the clips and the watched the movie trailers and that still did not change my mind about Tamil. However, what did hit me was that all the actresses are imported non-tamil ones. How can the film really be Tamil when the lead roles are played by those who are't Tamil? Aren't there any beautiful, fair Tamil girls out there? I though Tamils were 100% dravidian - so why this white (fair) worshipping? SHAME SHAME SHAME. Sway to the beat of SWEET, SENSUOUS SINHALA. Meh Jivithe (This Life) http://walawe.engga.uwo.ca/jukebox2/smi_root/disk1/dir09/Various29.smi http://walawe.engga.uwo.ca/jukebox2/smi_root/disk1/dir05/SakuraMal.smi http://walawe.engga.uwo.ca/jukebox2/smi_root/disk1/dir04/NandaMalini64.smi The below is a song on Sri Lankan Unity (unlike all the eelam songs - there is not ONE Tamil song like this I'm sure! Everything with most Lankan Tamils is for division and hatred). http://walawe.engga.uwo.ca/jukebox2/smi_root/disk1/dir04/NandaMalini54.smi
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posted March 16, 2001 09:19 AM
Website, You were one person that I thought was always intelligent in your posts. I am sorry to see you go down the same childish path as some of the Eelamites. "My language is better than yours" type of arguments is not what we need. they are childish and serves no purpose. I suggest that you stick to your usual intelligent and productive topics. I have always enjoyed and learnt from them.  [This message has been edited by Casper (edited March 16, 2001).] |
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posted March 16, 2001 10:29 AM
Casper: I would like a reply. Whats one lasting contribution to civilisation the Sinhalese have made? |
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posted March 16, 2001 11:41 AM
-Henry, You have grand illusions of a Tamil racial supremacy. You blinded by your illusions of this supremacy and therefore fail to see the anything of value in other ethnic groups. So why bother telling you ?? I suggest you change your user ID to Hitler. That fits you better. |
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posted March 16, 2001 01:38 PM
Website, thanks again for illustrating your definition of "Sri Lankan unity".The bloody song is in Sinhala!!! How is a non-Sinhala speaking Sri Lankan supposed to be feel united when hearing words that they cannot understand? Thank you once again for illustrating your hypocrisy. |
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posted March 16, 2001 05:16 PM
Sinhala a beautiful language? I know exactly what it sounds like, I could easily also express my own opinions on 'Sinhala baila' and the langugage itself but that's a path I do not wish to tread.... As for the Tamil actresses, if you looked in those clips, the only ones who were imported were Aish and Tabu, everyone else is Tamil. Shalini is Tamil, and it's worth noting that Aishwarya being a south indian is a huge fan of Tamil movies and specifically stated she wants to act in them and especially with Tamil actor Rajnikanth. When a director is given an opportunity to use an actress/model of her international recognition or even Tabu, he jumps on it. I don't see how this is an issue since many Tamil actresses are also found almost exclusively in North Indian films like Shilpa and Rekha. Dravidian has nothing to do with being dark/fair, there are many Tamils including my own family who are very light skinned, Dravidian is a culture. Most of us look south asiatic, but it is the ignorant who claim aryan racial differentiation. The true aryans look like southern russians, granted there are tamils who look that way but most of us look like south asians. I for one don't see any difference between a north indian and anyone in my family, visually speaking, but we are still 100% dravidian. |
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posted March 16, 2001 05:22 PM
As for the Indian Tamil - Ceylon Tamil divide, go to any Indian Tamil message board, especially an educated one like Forumhub and see how united we are. The Indians (including dozens of malayalees, telugus, etc.) there are defending us vociferously against you guys. We are all Tamils, we understand each other, share the same values, and will stick together no matter what. Tamils have never been as united as they are now, regardless of the political claims in Tamil Nadu, if any government wants to stay in power it has to support Ceylon Tamils and their cause. The Indian Tamil movie industry as you call it has dozens of Ceylon Tamils. Actors, Directors, singers aplenty! It's worth noting that Indian Tamils in recent years have made numerous movies sympathetic to us, 3 major (some award winnign) ones last year alone. Including one blockbuster which was spoken entirely in the Ceylon Tamil dialect and featured a Ceylon Tamil man (acted by the #1 award winning actor in India Kamal Haasan) who was affected by the human rights abuses of the Sri Lankan government. |
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posted March 16, 2001 07:15 PM
Casper, you are so right, I am bringing myself down to the level of these LTTE super geeks, but if you've noticed, practically every single LTTE fart is replying to this thread after I post simply because their minds are attracted to pathetic arguments. My apologies to the SANE people out there. The mother tongue is always beautiful to those who are brought up in it.Henry, what in the world have Tamils given world civilization? I noticed you have brought Tamils under the banner of Hindus and Hindu civilization, but yet you salivate with anger when Buddhism and the Sinhalese are associated together...any reason for this two faced stand? The Sinhalese were once Hindu, and now most are Buddhist. Speedy, the fact that the song is in Sinhala is great, becasue it is fostering a sense of unity among the Sinhalese with regards to the Tamils (termed dravidians in the song) and Muslims. There are so many songs like that in Sinhala, but I have yet to see a Lankan Tamil song which promotes unity, instead of division. I guess this is a reflection of how the two communities view peace and harmony. Peacekeeper, I seemed to have touched nerve. Why is that many of the like of you are so keen on ethnicity. I've read that in ancient Tamil texts, the ideal beauty was extremely dark, with lustrous black hair and 'eyes that look like those of a doe'. It seems this has changed over the years hasn't it? Sinhala films don't ahve any imported actors, look at thsoe two little Sinhalese and Tamil girls who have never acted before, in the film SAROJA. Their brilliant perfornmaces are 100% Lankan. I've been to several messageboards, and most of the people have a low opinion of Lankan Tamils in general, and LTTE supporters in particular. The Forumhub messageboard even documents the hostility Tamils face by Malayalees - terms like "panna pandi" etc etc. Why, there is even a thread that exposes the differences between Indian Tamils and Lankan Tamils. Most of India is indeed behind you LTTE crackpots...dream on. ONE blockbuster spoken entirely in the Ceylon Tamil dialect? Ho Hum! what thrills. Is that it? One movie? Most Indian Tamil films are masala movies which are highly unrealistic, whereas Sinhala ones deal with the real life. Ever ask yourself why Sinhala movies have won more internation awards that (Indian) Tamil movies despite the fact that the Sinhala movie industry is minute compared to the Tamil one? The beautiful film "Saroja" which is another SINHALA production on Sinhalese-Tamil unity has won around 7 international awards (this is sans Lankan awards). Has a Tamil film ever done that? NO. And are there any Tamil films on Sri Lankan unity? NO. Tamil schools had even organised group sessions so that Tamil children could watch this SINHALA film. If you get the chance, do watch it, because some of the scenes almost bring tears to your eyes and you will emerge thinking how sad there is a war in Sri Lanka. |
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posted March 17, 2001 01:30 AM
I stand by my statements. However, I would like to watch this film Saroja. Is there any place in the metropolitan Toronto area where it is being shown or will be shown? If so could someone please let me know about the details. |
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posted March 17, 2001 07:27 AM
Some links that might be interesting http://www.yasiru.com.au/cinetra/selects/saroja/saroja.htm http://www.lanka.net/lakehouse/2000/10/29/ent03.html Film on Sinhala-Tamil unity breaks box office records. http://www.timesofindia.com/170900/17ente6.htm |
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posted March 17, 2001 08:38 AM
I do not agree on Website statement, Tamil movies have won internatinal awards the recent one is "The Terrorist" directed by Santosh Sivan. I have seen the movie and it is based loosely on the Rajiv Ghandi assasination.It shows the how the conflict affect the live of a young ceylon tamil girl who then joins the LTTE. The movie was brilantly taken and the acting by Ayesha Draker was simply superb.The movie was dubbed in Hindi and opened in a small scale and it was critically aclaimned.The movie was so impresive that Shah Rukh Khan is acting in the directore's next movie titled 'Asoka' which incidently is also SRK home production.
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posted March 17, 2001 08:54 AM
I listened to the clips and the watched the movie trailers and that still did not change my mind about Tamil. However, what did hit me was that all the actresses are imported non-tamil ones. How can the film really be Tamil when the lead roles are played by those who are't Tamil? Aren't there any beautiful, fair Tamil girls out there? I though Tamils were 100% dravidian - so why this white (fair) worshipping? SHAME SHAME SHAME. Hello! In case you haven't noticed the Indian film Industry import actress and actors from all over regardless of their race. So what you are trying to say, that a non Tamil cannot act in Tamil movie? And that a non Hindi cannot act in a Tamil movie? Website you have proved how racists the sinhalese are. And in case you haven't noticed, Top hindi heroines such as Vyjenthimala, Hema Malini, Sri Devi and the ever beautifull Rekha are all Tamils. The tamil/hindi film industry is such that all actor's regardless of their race is welcomed as long you have the talent.
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posted March 18, 2001 09:13 PM
"Speedy, the fact that the song is in Sinhala is great, becasue it is fostering a sense of unity among the Sinhalese with regards to the Tamils (termed dravidians in the song) and Muslims. There are so many songs like that in Sinhala, but I have yet to see a Lankan Tamil song which promotes unity, instead of division. I guess this is a reflection of how the two communities view peace and harmony."What utter nonsense. What is the point of the song being in Sinhala then? If it is, then it speaks of Sinhala unity and not Sri Lankan unity. By singing the song in Sinhala itself, it is exclusive and not inclusive of non-Sinhala speakers in Sri Lanka. There are plenty of Sri Lankan and Indian Tamil songs that speak of Tamil unity...some of them more than 50 years old! You just need to spend less time spewing racist remarks about Tamil and more time actually listening to the language and appreciating it for what it is. |
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posted March 19, 2001 03:33 AM
In this forum lots of ealamists question what SInhalese has contributed to the world. Anybody who knows the history of the Sri Lanka wouldn't ask that question because our history clearly proves what amazing abilities Sinhalese had. 1. Tanks Sinhalese are world famous for its irrigation system. Toursists who visit North Central province surprise by the Tanks Sinhalese had made thousands of years before. In history it says one tank was totally made by a single Sinhalese with the help of his wife. Today most of these tanks are damaged by LTTE and were damaged greatly by British rulers. When Canadian engineers were asked to do a certain part of Mahaweli project , they were surprised to find the high knowledge of Sinhalese engineers. To get a fair idea of Tanks of Sinahalese please read book written by Brohiern (a well known british writer). 2. Dagaba Dagaba is another wonderful creation of Sinhalese. It is beleived that Sinhalese used a new mathematical concepts to determine the curvature of Dagabas and later that knowledge was destroyed by frequent south indian invasions. 3. Building architecture Sinhalese had their own building architecture. This architecture was applied in most of the buddhist temples. Ruwanweli maha seya , Lowa Maha Paya are some examples that demonstartes Sinhalese ability in building architecture. 2. Medicine system Sinhalese has their own medicine system that is completely different from Ayurwedic medicine system. This medicine system is based on a thing called "Ghana". "Horiwila wedamahatthaya" is one such great Sinhalese doctors who treats lots of patients a day. Many foreigners visit him to get medical treatments. Some western doctors had shown their surprise over the ability of this "Veda mahattaya". History says how a Sinhala king who mastered this medicine did brain operations. 3. Martial art Sinahalese had a martial art very specific to them. Even today this martial art can be seen in remote villages. This martial art system is based on identifying the deadly spots of thebody. 4. Music Sinhalese had a unique music which used to be sung in day to day activities. This music is called "Janakavi". 5. Sculpture Sinhalese showed a great competence in Sculpure too. "Samadhi" buddha statue in Mahamevuna Uyana and "Sandakada Pahana" that we see on most of the buddhist temples are some examples that prove that unparalled beauty of Sinhalese sculpture. Following are a few of modern Sinahalese who contributed their knowledge , ability and thinking to the world. 1. Lester James Peiris He is a very competent film director who is in the category of Sathyajith Rai, Akira Kurasava. 2. Cyril Ponnamperuma Very talented Sinhalese Scientist of the world. He did lots of reasearches on moon's soil to uncover any life in moon. 3. Name can't remeber He too is a Sinahalese scientist who designed the camera of "Rover" which was the space vehicle used to explore the life of the Mars. 4. A.N.S. Kulasingha He is world famous for his Concrete technology. Most of the world's constructoin firms get his ideas in implementing Concrete related constructions. 11. Gamini Fonseka, Neeta Fernando , Anoja Weerasigha This a list of few world class Sinhalese actors and actresses. Neeta and Anoja won medals at international level. 12. Samitha Mudunkotuwa, Rohana Baddage These are two prominent Sinahalese singers who won world awrads for music. Rohana Baddage is Sinahalese singer whose singings totally based on tarditinal Sinahalese music. His song "Sasanda Sasabda" won the one of the best twenties of the world songs.
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posted March 19, 2001 08:28 AM
2. Cyril Ponnamperuma Very talented Sinhalese Scientist of the world. He did lots of reasearches on moon's soil to uncover any life in moon. Geee...... I could have figured that one out without reasearching the soil.
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posted March 19, 2001 09:34 AM
Prof. Ponnamperuma is actually famous for his experiments on the "begining of life on earth". His laboratory equipment are on display in several world class mmuseums in USA, including the Science and technology museum in Chicago and the Smithsonian in D.C. Prof. Ponnamperuma and his experiments and theories are discussed in many university level texts books as well. He his well known and respected in the scientific community, even after his death. [This message has been edited by Casper (edited March 19, 2001).] |
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posted March 19, 2001 10:38 AM
Website- the Sinhalese were once Hindu? Where's the evidence for this? I don't believe it. Except for sculpture and architecture, I see absolutely nothing significant in Deva's list. None of the scientists mentioned, for example, has won a Nobel Prize, not even Professor Ponnamperuma. In fact, a Sinhalese has never won a Nobel Prize. Lasting contributions are indicate an influence on other cultures and civilisations.In contrast, the Anicent Hindus were much more accomplished. Take literature. The first scene of one of the world's most famous and oldest novels, Goethe's "Faust," is adopted from a Hindu text. This is what I mean by lasting impact. The significanxe is obvious.[This message has been edited by - Henry (edited March 19, 2001).] |
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posted March 19, 2001 02:37 PM
EelamRanjan: I thought the Buddhists were our enemy. It is better to deny any past association with them. |
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posted March 20, 2001 04:05 AM
Gee Henry, there are Tamil songs on Tamil unity...so what? Here is a Sinhalese song on SRI LANKAN unity, Saroja, Me Mage Sandai are films on Sinhalese-Tamil unity. I don't think there is a single Tamil song or film on the lines of that is there? Me thinks there is a thick, dessicated panna pandi around...And oh Henry, are you so uneducated? Tamil hisotorian Rasanayagam reveals that Vijaya built the earliest Hindu Kovils on the island, not to mention the Sinhala king Bhuvanaike Bahu building the esteemed Nallur Kovil in the Jaffna Peninsula. And guess what? A Tamil has never won a Noble Prize either! WOW! As far as I know, Tamils haven't given anything to world civilization except perhaps a new definition of TERRORISM and that's thanks to Sri Lankan Tamils. Trying to rope in Tamils under the huge banner of Hinduism is pathetic really, because you are talking about the contribution of the Sinhalese to world civilization as an ethnic group, and the Tamils as part of Hinduism...LOL! Deva, I'll tell you one thing the Sinhalese invented: It was the Biso-kotuwa or sluice. The oldest remains of such a device are found in Anuradhapura, Sri Lanka. The Buddhist Tripitaka was first put down to writing by the Sinhalese. And finally, the chronicling of non-religious history was pioneered by the Sinhalese - the Dipavamsa, Chulavamsa and the Mahavamsa. By the way, why is it that most non-tamil Indians, have a low opinion of Tamils in general? I'veheard they think the Tamils ahve an inflated opinion of their self-worth as a society and that they like fights. I've met so amny Indians and the first thing theya sk is whether I'm Sinhala or Tamil. And then later they confide they don't really hang with Tamils. Anyway, do you guys honestly believe people lap up everything Tamil? Name me one Sinhala film or song that was copied from a Tamil one. The only plagiariser and copier I know is A.H. Rahman, who steals the music of western artists and pretends they are his own creations. |
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posted March 20, 2001 07:03 AM
Well, I could say that two south Indian Tamils got Nobel prizes for physics. One was 1930 nobel prize for Sir Raman,calcutta University, Another one was 1983 nobel prizesfor Chadrasekha Subrahmanyam, University of chicago. But they are Brahminn Tamils. I knew very well as one famous tamil film, Nalla Neram (Good Time) acted Tamil famous actor MGR(He was also chief Minister of Tamil Nadu) ,which was copied without any alternations as Sinhala Film(I could not recall name of the sinhala flim). But Gammini Ponsekara acted as hero in the film. you could regonise that film story as Elephants were best friends for the hero. During 70s, Gammini Ponsekara mostly copied from the themes as MGR flims. People called sinhala MGR, because he acted, and fellow as MGR. [This message has been edited by Drwho1 (edited March 20, 2001).] |
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posted March 20, 2001 10:19 AM
It's worth noting that both of the men you mentioned were Tamils. The first Asian to win a Nobel prize in Physics was a Tamil, and in 1983 we won it again. |
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posted March 20, 2001 10:22 AM
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posted March 20, 2001 10:32 AM
So the intelligent Tamils, unsurprisingly, are not just intelligent, but Nobel-Prize winning intelligent. As for the Sinhalese, they are, well, they just are. |
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posted March 20, 2001 01:03 PM
I'm going to have to agree with Casper on this one. The recent discussions have taken on a more moronic edge and lets thank Website for restarting this nonsense.I, for one, do not doubt the richness of Sinhalese culture. Deva has provided evidence of that. The Tamil and Sinhala cultures are equally great but often the nature of that greatness of the Sinhala culture has been exploited by Sinhala politicians of the past and present which has resulted in the Tamil politicians emphasizing the greatness of the Tamil culture in defense. A totally redundant topic people. Website: Your explanation on a Sinhala song about Sri Lankan unity is still idiotic but I won't bother continuing that argument with you. |
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posted March 20, 2001 02:09 PM
In trying to determine which group of people is the superior, both intellectually and culturally, it is only natural to take into account the accomplishments of past individuals of whatever respective backgound. A fair assessment cannot be made any other way. |
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posted March 20, 2001 06:02 PM
Why did we pursue this discussion the way we did? Because I noticed the Sinhalese in this thread like Casper who claim not to be ethnically minded claim superiority over Tamils in a "we did this but you didn't" sort of way, I gave them a fitting factual reply which they couldn't up the ante on. And when they cannot find a reasonable response they say "look how childish...etc., etc." Sad, can you say hypocricy? |
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posted March 21, 2001 02:16 AM
The truth is tamils have always been big-headed over their culture and religion. Ask anyone from India that, or Lanka for that matter. You only have to visit Tamil website to realise that. Some people even think cleopatra was a Tamil! (see www.forumhub.com for more laughs) and that North Indians arose from some obscure backward Tamil caste! These people are so sulf-indulgent in "tamil glory" they equate everything and anything dravidian and South Indian as Tamil. It was this isepid thinking that inspired chelvanayakam to vouch for seccession before independence (before any alleged discrimination). The claim that there was an independent tamil kindowm covering the entirety of the Northern and Eastern provinces is another pathetic armgument based on a grand illusion. This arguing on who is better is indeed pathetic, but I want to give it as good as I get. I'm not going to take a back seat to *panna pandis* who think they rule the roost. I still think that Tamil is a harsh, unpleasant language to listen to. And I know that many others share my view (both Lankan and Indian). Actors named after Tamil films stars. Hah hah good joke there... To the Sinhalese, here is another thing Sinhalese have contributed to the world....Anuradhapura, Polonnaruva, Sigiriya, Dambulla, Kandy....all of which are World Heritage Sites. Nothing which Tamils can compare to in their dry, arid and overpopulated homeland called "Tamil Nadu" [h]And yes, there is one thing that the Sinhalese have that the tamils will never ever get.....and what's that? A sovereign country where they are in the majority....A national anthem in the mother tongue...what do u think of that? [/b] cheers.
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posted March 21, 2001 02:31 AM
Pollonoruwa was founded by Rajaraja after he raised Anuradhapura (with it's Tamil Pallava architecture) and it's cowardly 'Sinhala' defenders to the ground, or did they run away like the SL army too?[This message has been edited by Peacekeeper (edited March 21, 2001).] |
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SpeedyGonzalez
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posted March 21, 2001 03:08 AM
What is more pathetic than this thread? Website trying to give it a good go. |
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thadhasinhalaya
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posted March 21, 2001 07:37 PM
seriously ... this mine is bigger than yours is getting a bit silly isnt it?but if you wanna go tit for tat .. i think websites last comment says it all ... "And yes, there is one thing that the Sinhalese have that the tamils will never ever get.....and what's that? A sovereign country where they are in the majority....A national anthem in the mother tongue...what do u think of that? The Tamils have a country which VP and the LTTE is trying their hardest to get them to deny - that is SRI LANKA. So that comment above is aimed at all the LTTE groupies and keyboard warriors in this forum ... keep typing boys ... its all in vain anyway ... your myth of eelam is never going to happen - for all peaceloving Sinhalese, Tamils and Muslims/Burghers etc a peaceful solution will be found in the context of one strong united SRI LANKA. You guys can stay in Canada, UK, US wherever - we dont want you back anyway.  [This message has been edited by thadhasinhalaya (edited March 21, 2001).] |
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posted March 21, 2001 11:58 PM
Thadha,Sri Lanka is your country, not ours. Lions Flag is yours, not hours. Our country is CEYLON and Tamil Eelam. |
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posted March 22, 2001 04:08 AM
Website and TS have finally shown their hand and have said that one thing that the Sinhalese have and the Tamils don't have is a country which is Sri Lanka. This is what we've been trying to say all this time - Sinhalese think Sri Lanka is their country because its the abode of Sinhala-Buddhism!!! Thats the whole point behind the LTTE and Tamils asking for a separate country for themselves!! Finally, thanks for acknowledging the obvious TS! |
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Website
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posted March 22, 2001 04:58 AM
That's right, Tamils will never ever have a country where they are in the majority, and never a national anthem in Tamil...never a Tamil president...how sad. Seems like the Sinhalese are a very lucky community...God has indeed been generous to the Sinhalese. Amen to that.And to peacekeeper, Polonnaruva was *indeed* built by Rajaraja....after all, Cleopatra was Tamil, and the aboriginals of Australia are descendents of Tamils... lol. |
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SpeedyGonzalez
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posted March 22, 2001 05:44 AM
This is the sort of Sinhalese mentality that makes me want Prabhakaran to achieve Eelam at whatever cost just to rub Website's (and others like him) face in it.Like PeaceKeeper said in an another thread, Prabhakaran is more intelligent than is given credit for. Why is the intransigence of the Sinhalese so bloody pervasive? Are we wasting our time here? |
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Peacekeeper
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posted March 22, 2001 02:51 PM
If you're just trying to hone your debating skills then go for it, but if we're trying to talk sense to these morons then I think we certainly are wasting our time. |
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thadhasinhalaya
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posted March 22, 2001 07:04 PM
there u go again SG .. trying to distort the context again - i repeated websites comment to highlight the banality of the tit for tat approach the thread had taken if you want my view, and i am sure you read this and conveniently chose to ignore it ... "The Tamils have a country which VP and the LTTE is trying their hardest to get them to deny - that is SRI LANKA. ........ for all peaceloving Sinhalese, Tamils and Muslims/Burghers etc a peaceful solution will be found in the context of one strong united SRI LANKA." You are so good at reading between lines I cant believe you missed it ... selective vision eh? |
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SpeedyGonzalez
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posted March 22, 2001 07:17 PM
I don't think you meant to highlight the banality of Website's comment but rather to endorse it. |
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posted March 23, 2001 01:51 AM
Hello allI didn't realise my comments would cause such a strom. Before you start wringing your hands and pulling your hair out *joke*, please understand my views aren't God's words, so don't take it to heart - after all, they are simply words. If anyone got the wrong idea that I'm totally against Tamils, sorry. But if you've realised I'm against Tamil racism and the LTTE - good on you. Sometimes I do get carried away reading all this LTTE junk, but that does not meen I'm a monster. I still think Tamil a rather unpleasant language to listen to, but that's matter of personal choice - hey, I even taught myself to read Tamil, so before you start getting your blood all hot...think about that. Any settlement in a united Sri Lanka, which guarantees the rights of ALL her citizens is fine with me. But its a big NO NO to "Tamil Eelam". And the LTTE leder must face court for his crimes against humanity.
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posted March 23, 2001 12:44 PM
Don't worry, we won't take such nonsense you posted as God's word but we shall certainly take it as your word and hold you to it and remind you of them every time you feign to speak for the good of the Tamils.A bit late to cover up the tracks Website. |
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posted March 23, 2001 06:26 PM
Who ever said I'm covering up my tracks? Its pretty obvious that Tamils will never get sovereign country where they are in the majority. |
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thadhasinhalaya
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posted March 24, 2001 06:23 AM
SG: sure sure .... and I bet your beady little eyes lit up when you saw that too didnt you ... you just wait to pounce on every little word I post to try and twist it around dont you?oh well .. i can see the LTTE has taught you well after all they are the masters of deception, propaganda and twisting things around. if you are so interested in broadcasting and highlighting my posts to others ans well as sharing your INTERPRETATION of my posts .. why did you *so conveniently * choose to ignore the second half of my post which actually set out MY VIEW? |
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SpeedyGonzalez
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posted March 24, 2001 07:35 PM
TS, I don't need to twist your words which you yourself skilfully do as you dodge and turn through the discussions. As for the second part of your "argument", I don't see it as anything unique from the daily anti-LTTE but presumably pro-United Sri Lanka at any cost mantra that you chant every day. Website: Don't bet your bottom dollar on it. But thanks for your continual revelations regarding the Tamils, Sinhalese and Sri Lanka as the only homeland for the Sinhalese. Way to give into primordial fears. |
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posted March 25, 2001 12:44 AM
Speedy - you really should stop bellyaching and start healing yourslef. Still, your ultimata and comments are based on a technique I'm sure you've heard of. It's called propaganda, and a superiority complex.Do you always make it a point to glamorize drug usage and ethnic hatred?. The reason is simple: you argues that we can all live together happily without laws, like the members of some 1960s-style dope-smoking commune. To everybody else, If Speedy is victorious in his quest to vilify our history, character, values, and traditions, then his crown will be the funeral wreath of humanity. The worst classes of fickle riffraff I've ever seen suffer from a collective self-image that prefers victimization to success and imposes a suffocating group conformity that ostracizes nonconformists. But let's not lose perspective. We must reach out to people with the message that SpeedyGonzalez's catch-phrases are made of the same spirit that accounts for the majority of the problems we face in Sri Lanka -- Tamil extremism. We must alert people of that. | |